they arnt always

https://www.plant-for-the-planet.org/en/home company started by a 9 year old

im just saying... you say that its a bad thing per say, but there are always situations where its pretty common sense and normal for them to be in the workplace.... however labor laws prohibit that from happening. how is that freedom?

hell that company that set up tana con was started by a 17 year old

i see that child labor as an institution leads to the potental for abuse

i mean china

like Gary Vaynerchuck.... are you all familiar with his story?

some ppl are just born to be work horses and thats what they enjoy doing and want to do... hustling and making them $$$

who is anyone to say no to that

yeah, Arch, i agree there are a lot of uncomfortable aspects to it.... especially in developing countries and emerging economies that are still needing to walk thru the fire and brimstone

but it's a harsh reality and sometimes a necessity for survival

thats an example of someone doing stuff within the constraints of the laws and regulations we already have as a child, i obviously have nothing against that because its after the institution of child labor was desolved but while the option for children to try and compete economicly is still open

well im sure we can all agree that no one, especially not children, should be forced into labor

but sometime sthe constraints of the law and regulations fly in the face of human nature and actually work against it sometimes, as just bcus something is legal or illegal does not make it moral or immoral

Yaron Brook talks about this sweat shop and child labor stuff really eloquently

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRmeLXLYfCE

this is a really good channel btw, highly recommend to subbing to it https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCZViJTyN0OXTTuPQ2mimNWw/videos

you gotta think about how much *worse* the children/families would be off if they werent working though

thats the point that Yaron Brook is making.... what theyre doing is an improvement over what they had beforehand ... they simply must walk thru the fire and brimstone before conditions improve in standards of living

this is a powerful video though... the one with Yaron Brook ... you have to consider what is the alternative of preventing people from working in those sorts of work conditions though... the alternative is even worse, otherwise they wouldnt be working there in the first place.... the point is that its a step up from where there were beforehand

so youre basically condemning them to even worse poverty, as Yaron Brook points out, by prohibiting them from working

human nature and society do not always have the same prioritys

sure society is constructed from the machinations of human nature which is social at its core buuuuuut the human is not perfectly evolved for sociaty and what society demands at times often goes against what the nature of even an average human desires

well im not sure how to respond to that .... i agree more or less except for the fact that there really is no singular "society" but is rather more of a nebular thing with pockets of societies and communities here and there all working together either directly or indirectly.... society... now THERE is a social construct! lol 😉

and sure a balance needs to be struck because if you let society dictate everything then youll eventually crush the individual but on the same token if society has no will in a community then youll have conflict where the option to take advantage of individuals who are trying to survive but need to do more than what the average person does

yeah its like the whole trees vs the forest thing..... the forest is just a concept... it doesnt really exist except in our imagination and idea of it because its just comprised of all the individual trees after all

but yeah, i hear what youre saying otherwise

personally i like the idea of regulation scaling for the fraction which a bussiness takes up an industry. smaller the bussiness the less consquental failing to uphold regulation while the larger the bussiness the more responciblity it has to uphold a standard for the trust people put into it and the more it should be expected to ensure its own survival (im not a fan of governemnt susidizing failing bussinesses)

not to mention we need to figure out of regulations atleast within the united states to deal with anything to supresses small bussiness unfairly

what youll find though is that often what tends to be regulations that if they were deregulated would benefit the large bussiness just as much as the small bussiness and not actually provide the small bussiness with a way to provide a competitive service. simply being small doesent always mean you can offer something that the big cant

ya small businesses and family owned businesses make up the majority of employment to begin with .... health of this nation depends on mainstreet survival essentially

do small bussinesses make up the majority of employment in the us?

im not sure about that

not the <25 employee ones, but i mean the relatively small-medium and family owned businesses

parent companys might be part of what it may see like that though, from my perspective though were not in the small bussiness utopia id prefer

yeah its super hard for small businesses to survive in the current climate, especially in cali and the cities with rapid minimum wage hikes... the barrier to entry is getting higher and higher due to smothering regulations, but the big companies /incumbants prefer heavy regulations bcuz they can afford it and it raises the barrier to entry thus stifles potential competition

i actually had a theory about regulations recently

there will always be ebb and flow among the big and small businesses though due to the Pareto Principle which observes that the square root of an organization's workforce produce about half of the output value

so if you were to graph it out.... a company would have to grow exponentially just in order to sustain a linear trend in value output

which is not sustainable

it doesent actually make much sense for a corporation to lobby for higher regulations, because sure you can supress smaller bussinesses with those regulations but at the same time if they didint exist they wouldent cost you much money either and as a huge corporation you can just take losses to outcompete small bussinesses to death to get the same result without playing chance that the government will do what you want. government is just a middle man for something bussiness can already do. so i was thinking to myself why we live in a badly regulated situation where big bussinesses arnt really effected but small ones are, and it came to me, globalism