Message from @Poptarts
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sorry just popping in with some thoughts ocassionally
entrepreneurs always thinking of ways to offer better services at lower prices .... good for the consumer!
am i arguing with an ancap? xD
i dont really considermyself an ancap 😉
more objectivist leaning .... market liberal, classical liberal, etc
next youll tell me the government should completely deregulate bussiness to the point child labor is legal again
child labor was already on the decline before child labor laws came in due to rapid economic growth and modernization
but if a 12 y/o wants work experience or to apprentice, who are you to say no to that?
Academic Agent did a good video on child labor too
that's stepping into the realm of child consent
work experience can potentially be much more valuable than a typical run of the mill education.... especially after 12 years of public indoctrination schooling .... they come out with no real world skills.... we should be encouraging children to explore skillsets and different technical disciplines that they enjoy
and boy oh boy is there a good reason for that not being a thing
i think apprenticeship should be consitered as something seporate from what child labor was when it was active because apprenticeship is also education in a skilled labor. the reason child labor was becoming less common was standard of living was increasing but thats not to say that the poor wouldent still be taken advantage of and large factions of the population would have contenued to have child labor.
Well, back in Medieval times, apprenticeships started somewhere around 8-12. It wasn't until factories in the late 1800s and early 1900s that people started to dislike the idea of child labor, and that was mostly because of extremely dangerous working conditions
i agree w/ most of that, such as the standard of living is what i mean to say earlier .... it just was no longer needed after we had already walked thru the fire and brimstone of the industrial revolution so to speak
In the same vein, people used to get married around ages 13-15 in most countries until about 200 years ago
for example.... farming families today are even prohibited from allowing their children to work on their farm... even if they want to! that is just absurd IMO
if child labor was never abolished its not a matter of "no longer needed" its a matter of some people will still be doing it to this day. besides the less compatention for providing financal survival you can get within the nuclear family the better in my opinion
what is wrong with that if someone chooses with their own volition to work say as a child-prodigy programmer at a startup?
some kids are super gifted/talented and shouldnt be held back from the workplace if thats what they want
they arnt always
https://www.plant-for-the-planet.org/en/home company started by a 9 year old
im just saying... you say that its a bad thing per say, but there are always situations where its pretty common sense and normal for them to be in the workplace.... however labor laws prohibit that from happening. how is that freedom?
hell that company that set up tana con was started by a 17 year old
i see that child labor as an institution leads to the potental for abuse
i mean china
like Gary Vaynerchuck.... are you all familiar with his story?
some ppl are just born to be work horses and thats what they enjoy doing and want to do... hustling and making them $$$
who is anyone to say no to that
yeah, Arch, i agree there are a lot of uncomfortable aspects to it.... especially in developing countries and emerging economies that are still needing to walk thru the fire and brimstone
but it's a harsh reality and sometimes a necessity for survival
thats an example of someone doing stuff within the constraints of the laws and regulations we already have as a child, i obviously have nothing against that because its after the institution of child labor was desolved but while the option for children to try and compete economicly is still open
well im sure we can all agree that no one, especially not children, should be forced into labor
but sometime sthe constraints of the law and regulations fly in the face of human nature and actually work against it sometimes, as just bcus something is legal or illegal does not make it moral or immoral
Yaron Brook talks about this sweat shop and child labor stuff really eloquently
this is a really good channel btw, highly recommend to subbing to it https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCZViJTyN0OXTTuPQ2mimNWw/videos
you gotta think about how much *worse* the children/families would be off if they werent working though
thats the point that Yaron Brook is making.... what theyre doing is an improvement over what they had beforehand ... they simply must walk thru the fire and brimstone before conditions improve in standards of living