Message from @Poptarts

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2018-07-07 05:01:38 UTC  

sorry just popping in with some thoughts ocassionally

2018-07-07 05:02:14 UTC  

entrepreneurs always thinking of ways to offer better services at lower prices .... good for the consumer!

2018-07-07 05:02:15 UTC  

am i arguing with an ancap? xD

2018-07-07 05:02:34 UTC  

i dont really considermyself an ancap 😉

2018-07-07 05:03:08 UTC  

more objectivist leaning .... market liberal, classical liberal, etc

2018-07-07 05:03:08 UTC  

next youll tell me the government should completely deregulate bussiness to the point child labor is legal again

2018-07-07 05:04:09 UTC  

child labor was already on the decline before child labor laws came in due to rapid economic growth and modernization

2018-07-07 05:04:37 UTC  

but if a 12 y/o wants work experience or to apprentice, who are you to say no to that?

2018-07-07 05:05:04 UTC  

Academic Agent did a good video on child labor too

2018-07-07 05:06:35 UTC  

that's stepping into the realm of child consent

2018-07-07 05:06:51 UTC  

work experience can potentially be much more valuable than a typical run of the mill education.... especially after 12 years of public indoctrination schooling .... they come out with no real world skills.... we should be encouraging children to explore skillsets and different technical disciplines that they enjoy

2018-07-07 05:06:54 UTC  

and boy oh boy is there a good reason for that not being a thing

2018-07-07 05:07:36 UTC  

i think apprenticeship should be consitered as something seporate from what child labor was when it was active because apprenticeship is also education in a skilled labor. the reason child labor was becoming less common was standard of living was increasing but thats not to say that the poor wouldent still be taken advantage of and large factions of the population would have contenued to have child labor.

2018-07-07 05:08:57 UTC  

Well, back in Medieval times, apprenticeships started somewhere around 8-12. It wasn't until factories in the late 1800s and early 1900s that people started to dislike the idea of child labor, and that was mostly because of extremely dangerous working conditions

2018-07-07 05:08:59 UTC  

i agree w/ most of that, such as the standard of living is what i mean to say earlier .... it just was no longer needed after we had already walked thru the fire and brimstone of the industrial revolution so to speak

2018-07-07 05:10:06 UTC  

In the same vein, people used to get married around ages 13-15 in most countries until about 200 years ago

2018-07-07 05:10:47 UTC  

for example.... farming families today are even prohibited from allowing their children to work on their farm... even if they want to! that is just absurd IMO

2018-07-07 05:11:44 UTC  

if child labor was never abolished its not a matter of "no longer needed" its a matter of some people will still be doing it to this day. besides the less compatention for providing financal survival you can get within the nuclear family the better in my opinion

2018-07-07 05:13:22 UTC  

what is wrong with that if someone chooses with their own volition to work say as a child-prodigy programmer at a startup?

2018-07-07 05:13:43 UTC  

some kids are super gifted/talented and shouldnt be held back from the workplace if thats what they want

2018-07-07 05:14:21 UTC  

they arnt always

2018-07-07 05:15:04 UTC  

https://www.plant-for-the-planet.org/en/home company started by a 9 year old

2018-07-07 05:15:12 UTC  

im just saying... you say that its a bad thing per say, but there are always situations where its pretty common sense and normal for them to be in the workplace.... however labor laws prohibit that from happening. how is that freedom?

2018-07-07 05:15:39 UTC  

hell that company that set up tana con was started by a 17 year old

2018-07-07 05:17:07 UTC  

i see that child labor as an institution leads to the potental for abuse

2018-07-07 05:17:24 UTC  

i mean china

2018-07-07 05:17:40 UTC  

like Gary Vaynerchuck.... are you all familiar with his story?

2018-07-07 05:18:27 UTC  

some ppl are just born to be work horses and thats what they enjoy doing and want to do... hustling and making them $$$

2018-07-07 05:18:43 UTC  

who is anyone to say no to that

2018-07-07 05:19:50 UTC  

yeah, Arch, i agree there are a lot of uncomfortable aspects to it.... especially in developing countries and emerging economies that are still needing to walk thru the fire and brimstone

2018-07-07 05:20:17 UTC  

but it's a harsh reality and sometimes a necessity for survival

2018-07-07 05:21:01 UTC  

thats an example of someone doing stuff within the constraints of the laws and regulations we already have as a child, i obviously have nothing against that because its after the institution of child labor was desolved but while the option for children to try and compete economicly is still open

2018-07-07 05:23:16 UTC  

well im sure we can all agree that no one, especially not children, should be forced into labor

2018-07-07 05:25:06 UTC  

but sometime sthe constraints of the law and regulations fly in the face of human nature and actually work against it sometimes, as just bcus something is legal or illegal does not make it moral or immoral

2018-07-07 05:28:07 UTC  

Yaron Brook talks about this sweat shop and child labor stuff really eloquently

2018-07-07 05:30:14 UTC  

this is a really good channel btw, highly recommend to subbing to it https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCZViJTyN0OXTTuPQ2mimNWw/videos

2018-07-07 05:30:57 UTC  

you gotta think about how much *worse* the children/families would be off if they werent working though

2018-07-07 05:32:01 UTC  

thats the point that Yaron Brook is making.... what theyre doing is an improvement over what they had beforehand ... they simply must walk thru the fire and brimstone before conditions improve in standards of living