no our claim is the bourgoeis state doesnt even need to fake 9/11's

Not right now they aint

The middle east is one giant proxy war what are you on about

"The propaganda apparatus is not mentioning war right now"

Ok please educate us

i dont understand what you're trying to say

Well I hope you are right

are you trying to say catastrophic warfare (conventional or not ... whatever that even means) is over now?

the first industrialised wars were unconventional

until they werent

ok stop

this is going no where

please

You made no point

and we argued against it

I feel de-educated

No more!

no more of this

are you on amphetamines

lol

It's going to have to be new

Organising a system of production and distribution that doesnt empower a minority is probably the most important thing to keep on the checklist

I think vanguardism probably failed as an idea

The idea that an elite would transition us into communism

who essentially own the means of production

on behalf of the people

21st century communism has to have a whole new set of strategies and frameworks

Yeah capitalism always adapts

Yeah so mass culture

is so good a form of propaganda

Well it's so good that people police themselves politically

Yes good point

There's a lot of talk about agitating and raising class consciousness, but I think the 21st century version of this is somehow disabling the spectacle

Or countering it

we arent in factories and so forth any more

we are highly atomised

Debord basically explains how to run a totalitarian state on the sly

Zuckerberg is obviously a fan

No and I can't follow this narrative any more

In the sense that I feel unable to make anything close to an objective assesment on the situation

Ah right

And a way to ignore the material conditions of the country

as being behind anything

I'd be surprised if the US economy see's out 2019

Well we all talk about the empire constantly now

@Queef Madagascar you on the wrong side of history

This is a perfect example of how powerful the spectacle is. To not even be able to imagine a system that is better than the current one

@Queef Madagascar you exemplify totalitarianism!

There's a police man inside your head queef

its name is ideology

See this is how powerful mass culture is. People will defend a totalitarian system, not at gunpoint, but because they have been seduced into a fantasy world

That is genius

Think about this. Someone arguing for a totalitarian system in crisis

All I see is someone arguing for totalitarianism and that to me is proof that the apparatus of propaganda and culture are our main enemy

To engage with @Queef Madagascar is to engage with fantasy

or madness

You are defending a system that opresses you @Queef Madagascar

@Queef Madagascar You are the slave who cannot see an end to slavery because your master read some bible verses that justified it. A worldview like yours is the same as that of a slave who believes his masters rhetoric

I dont think you know what you are

No

Treat @Queef Madagascar as a symptom

yeah most of /pol/ is black or middle eastern

@Brickiest Brick they don't turn to an ideology in so far as they are manipulated by specatcle and defend the status quo - thinking they are actually part of it

IQ is a load of shit anyway

as it should

@Queef Madagascar You would be arguing in better faith if you just said "The system is perfect and outsiders corrupt it"

@Queef Madagascar does a simple narrative comfort you?

@Queef Madagascar the idea that the system is irrepairably broken is too much for you to take psychologically

so you blame an other

I could explain in depth how the system is in a state of rapid collapse

but we both know that's true deep down

and @Queef Madagascar you are just another one of us anyway. As much as you think you are part of a status quo

@Queef Madagascar If you really work hard then I feel very sorry for you

Because you are a self whipping slave

So you're a comfortable slave

no the ultra rich dont spout propaganda aimed at proletarians

even the rich know better

So is mine

@Queef Madagascar You should consider that your worldview is wrong. Can you do that?

are you capable of considering yourself wrong?

Please just as an experiment consider that we are right and you are wrong

@Queef Madagascar Are you okay?

Dude are you alright?

Im asking in good faith

You need someone that loves you

Dont engage. It isn't in good faith

Stop engaging with him

I have been banned by /r/socialism more times than i can count now

its like they just look for excuses

"you said bad"

I know reddit sucks

i get bored tho

we need a takeover of /r/socialism

Yeah but they shouldnt be in charge of it

they're actively damaging the movement

you guys like contrapoints

Contra has helped me turn a lot of centrists

Yeah i do

@Deleted User whatever, she has converted a lot more ppl to the cause than you