Vanguardism?

It just created a new class system

rather than abolishing it

The idea that an elite would transition us into communism

@Uriel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanguardism

You just create a class of ruling intellectuals

who essentially own the means of production

This is what made me leave marxism as well

or rather ML

on behalf of the people

I don't agree with that view.

Interesting

(1) That's similar to Plato's view that Philosopher Kings should rule, which I wholly reject

ah

21st century communism has to have a whole new set of strategies and frameworks

sorry I thought you were disagreeing with us on it

For sure

but Capitalism changes it's frameworks

as well

at least as a means of preserving itself

Yeah capitalism always adapts

The issue is informing and educating people and awakening their consciousness to the system they live in.

Yeah so mass culture

Partially, capitalism sustains itself by the proletariat convincing the working class that capitalism actually benefits them, allowing the working class to dismiss the exploitation they face

is so good a form of propaganda

bourgeois oops

@Nicholas91 which in itself is a product of capitalism

which is what makes it hard for leftists to capture mainstream attention

Well it's so good that people police themselves politically

@Uriel Well these adaptations do benefit the working class so they do lap it up.

that's why democratic socialism is a thing

Not to shit on dem-socs

Capitalism has a way of synthesizing and absorbing new things

case in point female Ghostbusters and Black Panther

Yes good point

Dem soc us cancer

Is

There's a lot of talk about agitating and raising class consciousness, but I think the 21st century version of this is somehow disabling the spectacle

Or countering it

we arent in factories and so forth any more

we are highly atomised