Message from @Nicholas91
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You just create a class of ruling intellectuals
who essentially own the means of production
This is what made me leave marxism as well
or rather ML
on behalf of the people
I don't agree with that view.
Interesting
(1) That's similar to Plato's view that Philosopher Kings should rule, which I wholly reject
ah
21st century communism has to have a whole new set of strategies and frameworks
sorry I thought you were disagreeing with us on it
For sure
but Capitalism changes it's frameworks
as well
at least as a means of preserving itself
Yeah capitalism always adapts
The issue is informing and educating people and awakening their consciousness to the system they live in.
Yeah so mass culture
Partially, capitalism sustains itself by the proletariat convincing the working class that capitalism actually benefits them, allowing the working class to dismiss the exploitation they face
bourgeois oops
@Nicholas91 which in itself is a product of capitalism
which is what makes it hard for leftists to capture mainstream attention
Well it's so good that people police themselves politically
@Uriel Well these adaptations do benefit the working class so they do lap it up.
that's why democratic socialism is a thing
Not to shit on dem-socs
Capitalism has a way of synthesizing and absorbing new things
case in point female Ghostbusters and Black Panther
Yes good point
Dem soc us cancer
Is
There's a lot of talk about agitating and raising class consciousness, but I think the 21st century version of this is somehow disabling the spectacle
Or countering it
we arent in factories and so forth any more
we are highly atomised
@herb sure its centrist horseshit but I'm not here to cause sectarian strife
@Nicholas91 that's a good point
@Nicholas91 Also I'm glad someone at least has read about Debord
Debord basically explains how to run a totalitarian state on the sly