"If nobody can agree on it it's not much of anything"

Thanks

Ok, not EVERYONE has to agree on EVERYTHING

Just like 40% or something in the double digits at least

why?

Because if less people agree the religion should be split up until more people agree in various divisions

there are levels of understanding though

Then those are better religions for those people

Ok, not "better"

I don't think religion is about agreeing with people though

More representative of how they feel

And who they are and all that

I think religion is a personal thing

sure there is a community aspect to it

But if it's not a relatively cohesive thing then there's no point defining it as a religion, because it's so loose

it's about how an individual should get along in the world

For me it's "religion" representing the community aspect and "belief" or whatever else representing individual opinions and thoughts

i see

So having some sort of cohesiveness is important for the community aspect

Basically if there were one Christian left in the world, it would be pointless to call him a Christian

For me the more a person strays from the orthodox of whatever subgroup they're in the less they are representative of that group

you can call yourself whatever you want, but if you stray that far from the teachings then why call yourself that at all? lol

Exactly

also I think there are levels of religiousness

that is important to note i think

it makes it harder to define unfortunately

For me it's how strongly you believe in whatever is being discussed

If you're willing to debate reasonably but are defensive that's about average, if you border on burning heretics that's a pretty strong belief, if you bend over backwards to help others violate your beliefs you don't really believe those things

you can have strong beliefs and not want to hurt anyone too

So I don't consider churches that have a gay pride flag to have strong christian beliefs (as laid out in the bible)

Yeah, it's just an example

right

gotcha

@M4Gunner I never hear that said though

That's totally glossed over

It's like American Protestants have no concept of what sin even is

It's all morality with them; "It's immoral to be cruel to others, the moral thing to do... morality is a cornerstone of our society"

@M4Gunner I view it as a political statement, but I'd be willing to no immediately mock a church if I had an inkling it was purely religious

Absolutely

It's like relying on a calculator

Great crutch, totally functional, but when you leave it at home you're fucked

I think that certain religious ideas are based on real observations

Those are the best ones

and this stuff was written a long time ago, and they used the symbolism and old style language, so i think it's really important to study it hard if you are serious about it. people who saw a cartoon vhs of noahs ark, and nothing else, isnt a good representation of the essence of the teaching

The thing with religions. The only ones that survibe take from their prior types. So the *morality would die when you lose your religion* is a falsity

And since the western world laws are written based off this. Even the athiestic are forced to observe said morality

@Deleted User I'm totally fine with symbolism and shit, working the brain is good

Religion has always been about explaining the unexplained

also if they are based in true observations, those teachings would reemerge @Goblin_Slayer_Floki

I have no respect for generic american Protestantism, though. More of a lack of belief than actual belief

It gives humans a teather to keep from fearing everything

"We should all be nice to each other" is not an impressive or insightful revelation

it was at one point

we take it for granted now

true ^

@banestrum but before it the world was far more chaotic

It was annoying even back in the 1800s, but at least it seemed to be legitimate belief

eye for an eye used to be great too

@Goblin_Slayer_Floki And now we drown in our own human excess, what an improvement

Because most of the moralities have been abandoned

no

before it was eye for **YOUR ENTIRE FAMILY**

avoiding excess was one of those

The adherence to them is more slavish than ever but the understanding is minimal

@M4Gunner easy to be a glutton, to easy

It's like giving an autist a gun and a badge and telling him to enforce curfew

You KNOW he's going to shoot someone

I want the hard route

ain't that the truth

Give me the suffering

I guess it's hard to go through life believing nothing

I'm not religious or anything, but it seems like lying to yourself to just hope for the best and smile all the time

Also stupid

Thats why even those who abandon faith replace it with faith in something else

Yeah, but faith in nothing is fucking dumb

Or something so ephemeral that it might as well be swamp gas

Yes but blind faith in humans is also dumb

Being nice to people is not a religion, no matter how much we dress it up

oh dear God, please purge the cancer

Humans are fallable. Such is the world.

Then get the bible belt off their asses and burn these heretics

@M4Gunner Yes but you can have faith in concepts or things or people

Instead of the most minimalistic idea possible

Faith in people is stupid.

Faith in people creates idiology of people like hitler or stalin

And those work themselves out

People are inherently greedy and always want more for themselves

*Work themselves out*

Oh, I'm talking about grown ass adults

yes i also agree

Lots of people sleepwalking through life thinking that everything is fine and dandy

Tell that to the millions killed by communism and nazism due to faith in people

Not saying you need to be #WOKE to be worthy to me, just have some activity going on in the head

@Goblin_Slayer_Floki Like I said, worked itself out

Lmao

why did you specify Nazism? could have just said socialism smh

Let's not get into that

I think religious faith is about choosing to believe that things will ultimately turn out alright and that there is a meaning and purpose behind existence, as opposed to nothing mattering at all. the details don't matter that much, and people killing over religion i think goes against the whole point

I specified nazism because you can identify the person directly

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpwEQHx07mg
FUCKING KILL ME

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CALARTS PLEASE

@Deleted User Yeah, for me the closest thing I have to a "religious" belief is a reverence for the possibilities in the unknown

🤢

that's disgusting

@M4Gunner or like the french

mmm wakfu

the french make interesting cartoons

I choose to believe there is a great nazi god in the sky

@banestrum my nigga

Never even watched it

@M4Gunner search "wakfu"

yeah, I can understand that @banestrum

it's on netflix

its not bad

@Deleted User I'm a firm believer that we should make our own god. Not just dream one up, but make it a physical reality

it's better than cartoon network

French and japan are winning the cartoon war. And Japan and East Europe are winning the gaming market

yeah not into that, but keep dreaming @banestrum

@banestrum Humans are faulty. It would end wrong somehow

That's the fun part

half the bible talks about why you shouldn't do that

Aren't the gods we come up with reflections of ourselves?

Why not make the ultimate relfection?

Not all

Oh, I don't mean just doing idolatry

Most are reflections of nature and the unknown

did you make that? @M4Gunner

I mean making some singular entity that is representative of the entire human race

@Goblin_Slayer_Floki Tell that to the entire greek and roman pantheons

They were humanoid

And every other god that has a human emotion

but the embodyment of nature and other unknowns

Acts human, talks human, makes mistakes like humans

Um no. They do many other things. They look human simply because of it being easier to relate to them

Which makes it easier for humans to accept them.

Humans rarely worshil giant slug monsters

Thor is meant to be a headstrong warrior, Zeus is a lustful patriarch, Hera the Jealous wife, etc

it's an easier way to express big ideas

They're chariacatures of people

They are far more than that

@Deleted User Exactly

read more mythos bra

I know they have other aspects, but first and foremost they're things we thought up

^

those arnt their first and foremost lol

read more mythos bra

idk what to tell you

You cant just read homer and think you know greek

wat

Or Hercules

I'm not saying that mythology is ONLY a reflection of people

It has other aspects, like morality and storytelling and other cultural shit

But that's the aspect I'm focusing on

I played the first god of war when it came out, I pretty much know everything about mythology now

The thing is. The tales were used to try to bring their other aspects better to human perception and understand I ng

What aspects?

Focusing on one aspect makes an ignorant arguement

It would be like me saying athiests are dumb cause they are all just edgybois

Oh, I meant I'm focusing on that in the context of what I was discussing earlier

Not like I focus on that all the time

i think religion came about when really smart people tried and failed to explain things to the rest of the tribe, so they came up with stories to help

The key is. Gods and Goddesses always have aspects of what isnt understood. That is their key. Looking human, having human qualities were added in the tales to make them more understandable and more relatable. As well as to codify the morality they portray.

exactly @Deleted User

Yeah, they explain stuff like morality and critical thinking

And as humans understood more of the world around them. Those powers lowered and number of gods needed did as well

Or help people towards understanding the concepts behind them

Religion today more or less covers what happens after death, before life, and the soul

the big three science hasnt explained

Well technically all three of those deal with the concousness or soul

how to live is still important too, but i basically agree with that

The morality is tied around the after death

Thats how they justify it

Which was an easier form in ancient days.

I think the guiding and controlling aspect of religion is the part I care about most, or see the most utility in

The japanese operate differently. They have always been more about honor sociatally. To the point the west never was

But they still honor their folklore as faith as well. apraying on new year and such traditions still are around.

Now after all that. I feel I have to specify I am not Christian or any of the main three curently ruling the world

Im druidic. So wisdom is important to me, which is why I research my *enemies* so to speak.

what do you think about spiritual experiences? @Goblin_Slayer_Floki

I believe there are many unexplained phenomena. And that noone deserves to have their experience riticuled. However, logic still dictates to investigate.

do you have any ideas as to why they happen, or what they are?

Depends on the phenomena

good point

https://youtu.be/RpqMFjiCcss?t=34s

Fucking love it

Steven omg

lol

Stephen is great

baked alaska streaming again, looks sad

streaming for 4 hours, 60 people watching

@Deleted User
Why(

he is setting up house cameras or something

a lot of dislikes

Cause people want to see him wank in every room

He is done

lol

I wonder if he is gonna do like a 24/7 irl thing

@Deleted User
He dug his own grave

He is done with the first round of wank? Riveting

I kinda feel bad for him

@Deleted User
He wanted drama? He got drama

Eh. He did it to himself.

Reap what you sow

yep

Racewarsky is going the same way

The crazy group are all collapsing due to internal strife

I guess it's a Christian thing now

IBS never stronk anyway

just a buncha autists

@Goblin_Slayer_Floki
Even jf

Andy and baked are done

people get burned out on drama, I saw this coming for a while

Jf still have the audience with money

But who knows how long it will last

aye

His numbers die by the day

They all really only had the numbers cause they were together so much

Asian Andy I think still has better numbers than the lot

warski and jf could have had a decent show if they didnt fuck it up, just like a radio style morning show

they had a decent sized audience for a while

They went to deep

on each other

@Deleted User
Yeah, their audience was mostly made by the alt right, but they had something going

Da j00s

It's just unbelievable how they burned it all by themselves

no it isn't

unprofessional

It's not, true

It just gives you insight into what an alt right society would look like @Fulcrum010

@Deleted User
Yup

lol

"Ethical swatting"

Metokur is the biggest loser imo, he made a bet and got fucked

bet?

He bet that ibs would be the next big thing

It shows that the biggest enemy of any group is yourself. And shows just how flawed people are.

Forgot the video he made?

And self destructive

I dont pay much attention to Metoker

which video?

@Fulcrum010 lol

@Deleted User
The one about ibs

i dont remember, but i'll take your word for it

Really? You don't remember his video on internet bloodsports?

i think no one was willing to be the adult, it was some lord of the flies shit, and i think Jim played a big part in killing those shows

it's not coming to mind tbh @Fulcrum010

Going full tinfoil now.

I guess jim for some reason have a personal thing with sargon, and he tried to use ibs to take him and people around him down