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2018-06-14 04:50:22 UTC

"If nobody can agree on it it's not much of anything"

2018-06-14 04:50:22 UTC

Thanks

2018-06-14 04:50:37 UTC

Ok, not EVERYONE has to agree on EVERYTHING

2018-06-14 04:50:49 UTC

Just like 40% or something in the double digits at least

2018-06-14 04:50:56 UTC

why?

2018-06-14 04:51:26 UTC

Because if less people agree the religion should be split up until more people agree in various divisions

2018-06-14 04:51:27 UTC

there are levels of understanding though

2018-06-14 04:51:35 UTC

Then those are better religions for those people

2018-06-14 04:51:54 UTC

Ok, not "better"

2018-06-14 04:51:57 UTC

I don't think religion is about agreeing with people though

2018-06-14 04:52:02 UTC

More representative of how they feel

2018-06-14 04:52:08 UTC

And who they are and all that

2018-06-14 04:52:18 UTC

I think religion is a personal thing

2018-06-14 04:52:30 UTC

sure there is a community aspect to it

2018-06-14 04:52:42 UTC

But if it's not a relatively cohesive thing then there's no point defining it as a religion, because it's so loose

2018-06-14 04:53:04 UTC

it's about how an individual should get along in the world

2018-06-14 04:53:30 UTC

For me it's "religion" representing the community aspect and "belief" or whatever else representing individual opinions and thoughts

2018-06-14 04:53:56 UTC

i see

2018-06-14 04:53:59 UTC

So having some sort of cohesiveness is important for the community aspect

2018-06-14 04:54:26 UTC

Basically if there were one Christian left in the world, it would be pointless to call him a Christian

2018-06-14 04:55:38 UTC

For me the more a person strays from the orthodox of whatever subgroup they're in the less they are representative of that group

2018-06-14 04:55:49 UTC

you can call yourself whatever you want, but if you stray that far from the teachings then why call yourself that at all? lol

2018-06-14 04:55:57 UTC

Exactly

2018-06-14 04:56:28 UTC

also I think there are levels of religiousness

2018-06-14 04:56:35 UTC

that is important to note i think

2018-06-14 04:57:04 UTC

it makes it harder to define unfortunately

2018-06-14 04:57:14 UTC

For me it's how strongly you believe in whatever is being discussed

2018-06-14 04:58:14 UTC

If you're willing to debate reasonably but are defensive that's about average, if you border on burning heretics that's a pretty strong belief, if you bend over backwards to help others violate your beliefs you don't really believe those things

2018-06-14 04:58:53 UTC

you can have strong beliefs and not want to hurt anyone too

2018-06-14 04:59:20 UTC

So I don't consider churches that have a gay pride flag to have strong christian beliefs (as laid out in the bible)

2018-06-14 04:59:36 UTC

Yeah, it's just an example

2018-06-14 04:59:36 UTC

right

2018-06-14 04:59:43 UTC

gotcha

2018-06-14 04:59:56 UTC

@M4Gunner I never hear that said though

2018-06-14 05:00:02 UTC

That's totally glossed over

2018-06-14 05:00:20 UTC

It's like American Protestants have no concept of what sin even is

2018-06-14 05:01:00 UTC

It's all morality with them; "It's immoral to be cruel to others, the moral thing to do... morality is a cornerstone of our society"

2018-06-14 05:01:41 UTC

@M4Gunner I view it as a political statement, but I'd be willing to no immediately mock a church if I had an inkling it was purely religious

2018-06-14 05:01:50 UTC

Absolutely

2018-06-14 05:02:01 UTC

It's like relying on a calculator

2018-06-14 05:02:17 UTC

Great crutch, totally functional, but when you leave it at home you're fucked

2018-06-14 05:02:53 UTC

I think that certain religious ideas are based on real observations

2018-06-14 05:03:03 UTC

Those are the best ones

2018-06-14 05:04:52 UTC

and this stuff was written a long time ago, and they used the symbolism and old style language, so i think it's really important to study it hard if you are serious about it. people who saw a cartoon vhs of noahs ark, and nothing else, isnt a good representation of the essence of the teaching

2018-06-14 05:04:58 UTC

The thing with religions. The only ones that survibe take from their prior types. So the *morality would die when you lose your religion* is a falsity

2018-06-14 05:05:33 UTC

And since the western world laws are written based off this. Even the athiestic are forced to observe said morality

2018-06-14 05:05:41 UTC

@Deleted User I'm totally fine with symbolism and shit, working the brain is good

2018-06-14 05:06:02 UTC

Religion has always been about explaining the unexplained

2018-06-14 05:06:07 UTC

also if they are based in true observations, those teachings would reemerge @Goblin_Slayer_Floki

2018-06-14 05:06:17 UTC

I have no respect for generic american Protestantism, though. More of a lack of belief than actual belief

2018-06-14 05:06:36 UTC

It gives humans a teather to keep from fearing everything

2018-06-14 05:06:39 UTC

"We should all be nice to each other" is not an impressive or insightful revelation

2018-06-14 05:06:53 UTC

it was at one point

2018-06-14 05:06:59 UTC

we take it for granted now

2018-06-14 05:07:05 UTC

true ^

2018-06-14 05:07:09 UTC

@banestrum but before it the world was far more chaotic

2018-06-14 05:07:15 UTC

It was annoying even back in the 1800s, but at least it seemed to be legitimate belief

2018-06-14 05:07:32 UTC

eye for an eye used to be great too

2018-06-14 05:07:41 UTC

@Goblin_Slayer_Floki And now we drown in our own human excess, what an improvement

2018-06-14 05:07:58 UTC

Because most of the moralities have been abandoned

2018-06-14 05:08:03 UTC

no

2018-06-14 05:08:07 UTC

before it was eye for **YOUR ENTIRE FAMILY**

2018-06-14 05:08:09 UTC

avoiding excess was one of those

2018-06-14 05:08:22 UTC

The adherence to them is more slavish than ever but the understanding is minimal

2018-06-14 05:08:38 UTC

@M4Gunner easy to be a glutton, to easy

2018-06-14 05:08:42 UTC

It's like giving an autist a gun and a badge and telling him to enforce curfew

2018-06-14 05:08:48 UTC

You KNOW he's going to shoot someone

2018-06-14 05:09:04 UTC

I want the hard route

2018-06-14 05:09:08 UTC

ain't that the truth

2018-06-14 05:09:16 UTC

Give me the suffering

2018-06-14 05:09:45 UTC

I guess it's hard to go through life believing nothing

2018-06-14 05:10:32 UTC

I'm not religious or anything, but it seems like lying to yourself to just hope for the best and smile all the time

2018-06-14 05:10:39 UTC

Also stupid

2018-06-14 05:10:43 UTC

Thats why even those who abandon faith replace it with faith in something else

2018-06-14 05:11:05 UTC

Yeah, but faith in nothing is fucking dumb

2018-06-14 05:11:18 UTC

Or something so ephemeral that it might as well be swamp gas

2018-06-14 05:11:22 UTC

Yes but blind faith in humans is also dumb

2018-06-14 05:11:39 UTC

Being nice to people is not a religion, no matter how much we dress it up

2018-06-14 05:11:40 UTC

oh dear God, please purge the cancer

2018-06-14 05:12:04 UTC

Humans are fallable. Such is the world.

2018-06-14 05:12:07 UTC

Then get the bible belt off their asses and burn these heretics

2018-06-14 05:12:31 UTC

@M4Gunner Yes but you can have faith in concepts or things or people

2018-06-14 05:12:42 UTC

Instead of the most minimalistic idea possible

2018-06-14 05:12:45 UTC

Faith in people is stupid.

2018-06-14 05:13:09 UTC

Faith in people creates idiology of people like hitler or stalin

2018-06-14 05:13:24 UTC

And those work themselves out

2018-06-14 05:13:33 UTC

People are inherently greedy and always want more for themselves

2018-06-14 05:13:50 UTC

*Work themselves out*

2018-06-14 05:13:50 UTC

Oh, I'm talking about grown ass adults

2018-06-14 05:13:54 UTC

yes i also agree

2018-06-14 05:14:11 UTC

Lots of people sleepwalking through life thinking that everything is fine and dandy

2018-06-14 05:14:22 UTC

Tell that to the millions killed by communism and nazism due to faith in people

2018-06-14 05:14:39 UTC

Not saying you need to be #WOKE to be worthy to me, just have some activity going on in the head

2018-06-14 05:14:54 UTC

@Goblin_Slayer_Floki Like I said, worked itself out

2018-06-14 05:15:00 UTC

Lmao

2018-06-14 05:15:02 UTC

why did you specify Nazism? could have just said socialism smh

2018-06-14 05:15:10 UTC

Let's not get into that

2018-06-14 05:15:16 UTC

I think religious faith is about choosing to believe that things will ultimately turn out alright and that there is a meaning and purpose behind existence, as opposed to nothing mattering at all. the details don't matter that much, and people killing over religion i think goes against the whole point

2018-06-14 05:15:27 UTC

I specified nazism because you can identify the person directly

2018-06-14 05:15:38 UTC
2018-06-14 05:15:47 UTC

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2018-06-14 05:15:51 UTC

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2018-06-14 05:15:53 UTC

CALARTS PLEASE

2018-06-14 05:16:13 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/372507611284766722/456688292323131405/totenhmm2.jpg

2018-06-14 05:16:57 UTC

@Deleted User Yeah, for me the closest thing I have to a "religious" belief is a reverence for the possibilities in the unknown

2018-06-14 05:17:06 UTC

🀒

2018-06-14 05:17:10 UTC

that's disgusting

2018-06-14 05:17:22 UTC

@M4Gunner or like the french

2018-06-14 05:17:28 UTC

mmm wakfu

2018-06-14 05:17:33 UTC

the french make interesting cartoons

2018-06-14 05:17:37 UTC

I choose to believe there is a great nazi god in the sky

2018-06-14 05:17:40 UTC

@banestrum my nigga

2018-06-14 05:17:48 UTC

Never even watched it

2018-06-14 05:17:51 UTC

@M4Gunner search "wakfu"

2018-06-14 05:17:56 UTC

yeah, I can understand that @banestrum

2018-06-14 05:18:02 UTC

it's on netflix

2018-06-14 05:18:10 UTC

its not bad

2018-06-14 05:18:28 UTC

@Deleted User I'm a firm believer that we should make our own god. Not just dream one up, but make it a physical reality

2018-06-14 05:18:29 UTC

it's better than cartoon network

2018-06-14 05:18:34 UTC

French and japan are winning the cartoon war. And Japan and East Europe are winning the gaming market

2018-06-14 05:19:03 UTC

yeah not into that, but keep dreaming @banestrum

2018-06-14 05:19:05 UTC

@banestrum Humans are faulty. It would end wrong somehow

2018-06-14 05:19:11 UTC

That's the fun part

2018-06-14 05:19:34 UTC

half the bible talks about why you shouldn't do that

2018-06-14 05:19:34 UTC

Aren't the gods we come up with reflections of ourselves?

2018-06-14 05:19:45 UTC

Why not make the ultimate relfection?

2018-06-14 05:19:50 UTC

Not all

2018-06-14 05:19:57 UTC

Oh, I don't mean just doing idolatry

2018-06-14 05:20:03 UTC

Most are reflections of nature and the unknown

2018-06-14 05:20:10 UTC

did you make that? @M4Gunner

2018-06-14 05:20:15 UTC

I mean making some singular entity that is representative of the entire human race

2018-06-14 05:20:26 UTC

@Goblin_Slayer_Floki Tell that to the entire greek and roman pantheons

2018-06-14 05:20:36 UTC

They were humanoid

2018-06-14 05:20:39 UTC

And every other god that has a human emotion

2018-06-14 05:20:48 UTC

but the embodyment of nature and other unknowns

2018-06-14 05:20:53 UTC

Acts human, talks human, makes mistakes like humans

2018-06-14 05:21:27 UTC

Um no. They do many other things. They look human simply because of it being easier to relate to them

2018-06-14 05:21:42 UTC

Which makes it easier for humans to accept them.

2018-06-14 05:21:54 UTC

Humans rarely worshil giant slug monsters

2018-06-14 05:21:55 UTC

Thor is meant to be a headstrong warrior, Zeus is a lustful patriarch, Hera the Jealous wife, etc

2018-06-14 05:22:02 UTC

it's an easier way to express big ideas

2018-06-14 05:22:05 UTC

They're chariacatures of people

2018-06-14 05:22:09 UTC

They are far more than that

2018-06-14 05:22:09 UTC
2018-06-14 05:22:15 UTC

read more mythos bra

2018-06-14 05:22:34 UTC

I know they have other aspects, but first and foremost they're things we thought up

2018-06-14 05:22:40 UTC

^

2018-06-14 05:22:55 UTC

those arnt their first and foremost lol

2018-06-14 05:23:01 UTC

read more mythos bra

2018-06-14 05:23:34 UTC

idk what to tell you

2018-06-14 05:23:51 UTC

You cant just read homer and think you know greek

2018-06-14 05:23:58 UTC

wat

2018-06-14 05:24:21 UTC

Or Hercules

2018-06-14 05:24:55 UTC

I'm not saying that mythology is ONLY a reflection of people

2018-06-14 05:25:10 UTC

It has other aspects, like morality and storytelling and other cultural shit

2018-06-14 05:25:20 UTC

But that's the aspect I'm focusing on

2018-06-14 05:25:22 UTC

I played the first god of war when it came out, I pretty much know everything about mythology now

2018-06-14 05:25:30 UTC

The thing is. The tales were used to try to bring their other aspects better to human perception and understand I ng

2018-06-14 05:25:52 UTC

What aspects?

2018-06-14 05:25:52 UTC

Focusing on one aspect makes an ignorant arguement

2018-06-14 05:26:17 UTC

It would be like me saying athiests are dumb cause they are all just edgybois

2018-06-14 05:26:22 UTC

Oh, I meant I'm focusing on that in the context of what I was discussing earlier

2018-06-14 05:26:30 UTC

Not like I focus on that all the time

2018-06-14 05:27:01 UTC

i think religion came about when really smart people tried and failed to explain things to the rest of the tribe, so they came up with stories to help

2018-06-14 05:27:49 UTC

The key is. Gods and Goddesses always have aspects of what isnt understood. That is their key. Looking human, having human qualities were added in the tales to make them more understandable and more relatable. As well as to codify the morality they portray.

2018-06-14 05:28:04 UTC
2018-06-14 05:28:25 UTC

Yeah, they explain stuff like morality and critical thinking

2018-06-14 05:28:29 UTC

And as humans understood more of the world around them. Those powers lowered and number of gods needed did as well

2018-06-14 05:28:37 UTC

Or help people towards understanding the concepts behind them

2018-06-14 05:29:11 UTC

Religion today more or less covers what happens after death, before life, and the soul

2018-06-14 05:29:21 UTC

the big three science hasnt explained

2018-06-14 05:29:49 UTC

Well technically all three of those deal with the concousness or soul

2018-06-14 05:30:04 UTC

how to live is still important too, but i basically agree with that

2018-06-14 05:30:15 UTC

The morality is tied around the after death

2018-06-14 05:30:24 UTC

Thats how they justify it

2018-06-14 05:30:54 UTC

Which was an easier form in ancient days.

2018-06-14 05:31:28 UTC

I think the guiding and controlling aspect of religion is the part I care about most, or see the most utility in

2018-06-14 05:31:30 UTC

The japanese operate differently. They have always been more about honor sociatally. To the point the west never was

2018-06-14 05:32:30 UTC

But they still honor their folklore as faith as well. apraying on new year and such traditions still are around.

2018-06-14 05:33:41 UTC

Now after all that. I feel I have to specify I am not Christian or any of the main three curently ruling the world

2018-06-14 05:34:23 UTC

Im druidic. So wisdom is important to me, which is why I research my *enemies* so to speak.

2018-06-14 05:34:35 UTC

what do you think about spiritual experiences? @Goblin_Slayer_Floki

2018-06-14 05:37:05 UTC

I believe there are many unexplained phenomena. And that noone deserves to have their experience riticuled. However, logic still dictates to investigate.

2018-06-14 05:38:04 UTC

do you have any ideas as to why they happen, or what they are?

2018-06-14 05:38:23 UTC

Depends on the phenomena

2018-06-14 05:38:40 UTC

good point

2018-06-14 05:41:45 UTC

Fucking love it

2018-06-14 05:41:48 UTC

Steven omg

2018-06-14 05:44:00 UTC

lol

2018-06-14 05:45:57 UTC

Stephen is great

2018-06-14 05:57:43 UTC

baked alaska streaming again, looks sad

2018-06-14 05:58:01 UTC

streaming for 4 hours, 60 people watching

2018-06-14 05:58:02 UTC
2018-06-14 05:58:38 UTC

he is setting up house cameras or something

2018-06-14 05:58:58 UTC

a lot of dislikes

2018-06-14 05:59:08 UTC

Cause people want to see him wank in every room

2018-06-14 05:59:32 UTC

He is done

2018-06-14 06:00:07 UTC

lol

2018-06-14 06:00:10 UTC

I wonder if he is gonna do like a 24/7 irl thing

2018-06-14 06:00:33 UTC

@Deleted User
He dug his own grave

2018-06-14 06:00:49 UTC

He is done with the first round of wank? Riveting

2018-06-14 06:02:15 UTC

I kinda feel bad for him

2018-06-14 06:03:02 UTC

@Deleted User
He wanted drama? He got drama

2018-06-14 06:03:11 UTC

Eh. He did it to himself.

2018-06-14 06:03:17 UTC

Reap what you sow

2018-06-14 06:03:27 UTC

yep

2018-06-14 06:03:29 UTC

Racewarsky is going the same way

2018-06-14 06:04:05 UTC

The crazy group are all collapsing due to internal strife

2018-06-14 06:04:50 UTC

I guess it's a Christian thing now

2018-06-14 06:04:50 UTC

IBS never stronk anyway

2018-06-14 06:04:59 UTC

just a buncha autists

2018-06-14 06:05:22 UTC
2018-06-14 06:05:33 UTC

Andy and baked are done

2018-06-14 06:05:43 UTC

people get burned out on drama, I saw this coming for a while

2018-06-14 06:06:03 UTC

Jf still have the audience with money

2018-06-14 06:06:15 UTC

But who knows how long it will last

2018-06-14 06:06:40 UTC

aye

2018-06-14 06:07:02 UTC

His numbers die by the day

2018-06-14 06:07:21 UTC

They all really only had the numbers cause they were together so much

2018-06-14 06:07:37 UTC

Asian Andy I think still has better numbers than the lot

2018-06-14 06:07:58 UTC

warski and jf could have had a decent show if they didnt fuck it up, just like a radio style morning show

2018-06-14 06:09:04 UTC

they had a decent sized audience for a while

2018-06-14 06:09:12 UTC

They went to deep

2018-06-14 06:09:18 UTC

on each other

2018-06-14 06:09:30 UTC

@Deleted User
Yeah, their audience was mostly made by the alt right, but they had something going

2018-06-14 06:09:50 UTC

Da j00s

2018-06-14 06:10:23 UTC

It's just unbelievable how they burned it all by themselves

2018-06-14 06:10:31 UTC

no it isn't

2018-06-14 06:10:39 UTC

unprofessional

2018-06-14 06:10:42 UTC

It's not, true

2018-06-14 06:10:50 UTC

It just gives you insight into what an alt right society would look like @Fulcrum010

2018-06-14 06:10:57 UTC
2018-06-14 06:10:58 UTC

lol

2018-06-14 06:11:12 UTC

"Ethical swatting"

2018-06-14 06:11:47 UTC

Metokur is the biggest loser imo, he made a bet and got fucked

2018-06-14 06:12:05 UTC

bet?

2018-06-14 06:12:21 UTC

He bet that ibs would be the next big thing

2018-06-14 06:12:25 UTC

It shows that the biggest enemy of any group is yourself. And shows just how flawed people are.

2018-06-14 06:12:29 UTC

Forgot the video he made?

2018-06-14 06:12:36 UTC

And self destructive

2018-06-14 06:12:52 UTC

I dont pay much attention to Metoker

2018-06-14 06:12:53 UTC

which video?

2018-06-14 06:12:54 UTC
2018-06-14 06:13:18 UTC

@Deleted User
The one about ibs

2018-06-14 06:13:39 UTC

i dont remember, but i'll take your word for it

2018-06-14 06:14:23 UTC

Really? You don't remember his video on internet bloodsports?

2018-06-14 06:14:48 UTC

i think no one was willing to be the adult, it was some lord of the flies shit, and i think Jim played a big part in killing those shows

2018-06-14 06:15:05 UTC

it's not coming to mind tbh @Fulcrum010

2018-06-14 06:15:54 UTC

Going full tinfoil now.

I guess jim for some reason have a personal thing with sargon, and he tried to use ibs to take him and people around him down

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