is it because, they're not actually capitalist?

feudalism was a different economic system

@Deleted User Because dictators like communism.

@versterven gets dog pilled, do we have some commies to even it out.

cuba has managed to provide a high standard of living for its region despite being under the thumb of the world hegemon that sits on its doorstep and also managed to survive the dissolution of the USSR and the economic and political difficulties that brought, i think that's a success story

@versterven be like
success = socialism
failure = capitalism

because there are different kinds of capitalist systems

> high standard

You keep using that term...

@versterven cool, what innovations have they provided?

oh wait

none

@versterven define high standard

Cuba is like me working casual hours and just having enough to get by

@Werlf ez, just "successful" and not capitalist

i mean cuba has made medical innovations regarding lung cancer vaccines and creating a way to birth babies from mothers with hiv without passing hiv to the baby

Cuba is not communist, but that one step before communism that hardly anyone overcame.

and i mean singapore is an exemplar

it's a city state

it's full of orientals and not sub-saharan africans

And those innovations were made, because in Cuba all humans are equally worthless. Much easier to test pharma products.

Singabore

it had great leadership and great economic policies

and here we see the tankie go full 1488

I have to admit, that Cuba has applied an interesting concept of meritocratic medical care

that took advantage of its position as a city state

@versterven So by your logic Cuba> All of the Americas. because of Communism? You do realize that most countries are still suffering withdrawal with violent civil wars and revolutions left over from communist which Cuba has not gone through yet. Cuba is also not a good example because its a island. Cuba is not like Brazil, Honduras, Colombia, Venezuela, and many others are landlocked nations. Also tell me by your logic, Does this mean that China and the USSR> USA?

thanks for showing yourracism again @versterven

which tankie @Deleted User

@versterven is the tankie

not @M4Gunner ?

I mean

look at that name

i don't see why african countries not being as successful as singapore means they aren't capitalist

that seems like an utterly retarded argument

they aren't

@versterven Welfare from 1st world countries isn't capitalism

what do you mean chris

They arent capitalist because they keep going through damn wars.

venezuela is socialist because they have a socialist party in power

so going through wars means they aren't capitalist?

@versterven What i mean is that they have no time to set up a proper goverment

If you fight with guns, instead of trade, you're a savage.

they keep getting attacked by Warlords, terrorists, and other countries

Look at fucking Somalia

wait so was france socialist in 2013?

France was dumb in 2013

Capitalism means private property rights, market with voluntary transactions and the ability to own the means of production.

the french have always been socialist people

Still are tho

If your private property isn't protected....

i would say capitalism is a system characterized by private ownership over the means of production, production for exchange, wage labor, and capital accumulation, all of which describe venezuela's economic model perfectly

How is being a war-torn shithole giving you property rights, and voluntary transactions?

@versterven Gtfo

What?

it's okay to be retarded @versterven

What are you saying?

Guys chill

The best form and first appearance of communism were the anaptists that took over münster in the 1500s

lets not be dicks

nah

can there be a rank worse than snowflake for this guy?

they're a fucking tankie, retard, and rascist

ohhh

I can't be chill

didn't realize tankies were commies

trust me i agree with you guys

🚁

i thought tankies were people that are into tanks

Be civil

Be civil

yes

Marvel civil war 2

This state capitalism argument is a cope out. You know that @versterven .

what do you mean

State capitalism isn't capitalism

^

i never said anything about "state capitalism"

If it involves the state at any point, it's no longer a free market

That venezuela is capitalistic, because the accumulation of wealth in the hands of the state.

now you're being pedandtic

you fucknut

no because of the ownership of the means of production by private individuals

not the state

fucking wrong

In Venezuela ?????

yes

Venezuela's government appropriated car factories in the name of the people that belonged to GM and their government is doing this to bakeries as well

how many times can you be wrong

you retard

venezuela has a smaller public sector than many european countries

got a source?

What?

They're putting bus drivers onto their oil platforms, ffs

dude...just stop

You can own them, but you can loose these rights. And so there is no universal right for private ownership.

or are you just pulling shit out of your ass

@versterven what are you even talking about?

seriously

@Chris McLean Baron Lord of Hell he's just making lies up

because he can't cite shit