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2017-04-11 16:35:49 UTC

fortunately I'm well equipped in the latter

2017-04-11 16:35:54 UTC

Why are you keen to listen to random strangers online who could as well be talking complete non-sense and wasting your precious time

2017-04-11 16:36:16 UTC

you're not a stranger, I've been talking to you for days

2017-04-11 16:36:30 UTC

and no, it isn't nonsense

2017-04-11 16:36:43 UTC

that is something discernible

2017-04-11 16:36:51 UTC

don't give yourself so little credit

2017-04-11 16:36:58 UTC

Yes, but I'm just another individual spotted in the wild

2017-04-11 16:37:08 UTC

not quite

2017-04-11 16:37:09 UTC

Why would you want to hear my opinions

2017-04-11 16:37:25 UTC

I think you're an intelligent and thoughtful person

2017-04-11 16:37:37 UTC

I'm not suspicious btw, only curious

2017-04-11 16:37:42 UTC

I understand

2017-04-11 16:38:06 UTC

you underwent a couple of layers of selection to end up in here

2017-04-11 16:38:15 UTC

you're not just a random, even if we had not talked to date

2017-04-11 16:38:32 UTC

"what kind of higher, permanent, rock solid truth are we talking about here"

2017-04-11 16:38:43 UTC

I can only say that it is something not yet realized

2017-04-11 16:38:52 UTC

I listened to your music too, so just on that basis you wouldn't be worthless

2017-04-11 16:38:59 UTC

fair enough

2017-04-11 16:39:39 UTC

I have a couple of ideas about music that need a bit more testing

2017-04-11 16:39:42 UTC

music and personality

2017-04-11 16:39:46 UTC

I think that Buddhist, Hermetic and other doctrines which say that such a realization is a moment of bliss, not an endless maintenance, make sense, and hence, I consider myself somebody who isn't there

2017-04-11 16:39:48 UTC

I want to listen to music by a confirmed sociopath

2017-04-11 16:39:56 UTC

that is good

2017-04-11 16:40:21 UTC

how does one go further down that path

2017-04-11 16:40:26 UTC

wherever it leads

2017-04-11 16:40:26 UTC

define sociopathy

2017-04-11 16:41:14 UTC

I won't right now, but I'll define a sociopath

2017-04-11 16:41:33 UTC

a sociopath is a person who has no conscience, the primary problem of whom is never having formed a loving bond with another human being

2017-04-11 16:41:54 UTC

further from the above are my own ideas

2017-04-11 16:42:16 UTC

I agree with some psychiatrists in the earlier part of the 20th century and a couple of other people that humans create for themselves various "false selves"

2017-04-11 16:42:24 UTC

I suppose you could call them identities too

2017-04-11 16:42:26 UTC

or masks

2017-04-11 16:42:45 UTC

these false selves are derived from an underlying true self

2017-04-11 16:42:48 UTC

that may not be realized

2017-04-11 16:43:02 UTC

but is nevertheless playing a big role, each "mask" is a subset of the true self in a way

2017-04-11 16:43:19 UTC

a sociopath is someone who has no true self, has not developed one, or cannot access his true self in any way (theory)

2017-04-11 16:43:38 UTC

due to the above issue, never having formed a loving bond with another human being

2017-04-11 16:43:42 UTC

in a critical stage of development

2017-04-11 16:44:10 UTC

usually that bond would be with a parent or parents (and a few more people for most healthy individuals)

2017-04-11 16:44:37 UTC

For me, sociopathy has so far been, In my undestanding, defined by these two

2017-04-11 16:45:01 UTC

1. Ability to understand how human emotions work, but not to genuinely display or posses them

2017-04-11 16:45:19 UTC

(hence psychopaths/sociopaths are masters at deception)

2017-04-11 16:45:37 UTC

2. Inability for any loyalties other than towards one self

2017-04-11 16:45:56 UTC

both are indeed qualities possessed by the sociopath

2017-04-11 16:46:08 UTC

except 1

2017-04-11 16:46:12 UTC

needs a bit more nuance

2017-04-11 16:46:20 UTC

a sociopath may be very capable indeed at displaying human emotions

2017-04-11 16:46:28 UTC

3. Due to the above, and other cumulative effects, inclination towards destructive, violent behaviors (due to inability to perceive any sense of collective)

2017-04-11 16:46:42 UTC

by displaying you mean faking

2017-04-11 16:46:44 UTC

more consequence than collective

2017-04-11 16:46:50 UTC

well no I don't

2017-04-11 16:46:57 UTC

a sociopath in display

2017-04-11 16:47:16 UTC

is not just mimicking expressions etc, they are actively processing that emotion

2017-04-11 16:47:25 UTC

but cannot appreciate its significance

2017-04-11 16:47:37 UTC

I would speculate some kind of mirror neuron thing going on

2017-04-11 16:47:56 UTC

and sociopaths do genuinely feel anger, resentment, etc.

2017-04-11 16:48:21 UTC

some people who lack affect in near aspergers way are sociopaths, but by no means even a significant minority

2017-04-11 16:48:37 UTC

sociopaths more often than not, process emotions of people going about

2017-04-11 16:48:44 UTC

than do they deal with their own emotional life

2017-04-11 16:48:46 UTC

dont you think ?

2017-04-11 16:48:56 UTC

since manipulations is almost as if their primary concern

2017-04-11 16:49:03 UTC

the idea is the true sociopath cannot deal with their own emotional life

2017-04-11 16:49:13 UTC

or gain any insight into it

2017-04-11 16:49:54 UTC

couple that with inability to feel remorse and you get your 3

2017-04-11 16:49:57 UTC

my idea is that sociopaths should be dealt with according to their actions, if any deviant behaviors they display

2017-04-11 16:50:02 UTC

it isn't based off of a collective spirit

2017-04-11 16:50:04 UTC

as if they are a fact of life just as any other

2017-04-11 16:50:09 UTC

that isn't what stops people from doing bad shit generally either

2017-04-11 16:50:12 UTC

except like, Chinese people

2017-04-11 16:50:17 UTC

and even there, it's a layer on top

2017-04-11 16:50:34 UTC

No, I was talking about their destructiveness

2017-04-11 16:50:47 UTC

A sociopath isn't destructive because he feels no empathy

2017-04-11 16:50:56 UTC

They will more easily be destructive towards society, since they don't consider people or property as of having a value greater than utilitarian

2017-04-11 16:51:08 UTC

but because he fears no consequence

2017-04-11 16:51:13 UTC

yeah, that's reasonable

2017-04-11 16:51:13 UTC

no sense of "sacred"

2017-04-11 16:51:24 UTC

anyway, the idea is

2017-04-11 16:51:33 UTC

and i almos forgot

2017-04-11 16:51:33 UTC

a true sociopath would be unable to produce genuine music

2017-04-11 16:51:58 UTC

so I'm looking for something that could contradict that because I don't think it would be too hard to find music by a sociopath

2017-04-11 16:52:00 UTC

their obliviousness to danger almost as a rule comes from their huge self-confidence and sense of infallibility, which they find difficult to overcome

2017-04-11 16:52:01 UTC

I could be wrong

2017-04-11 16:52:12 UTC

i.e. huge ego

2017-04-11 16:52:12 UTC

yeah, because every sociopath is a narcissist

2017-04-11 16:52:14 UTC

by definition

2017-04-11 16:52:22 UTC

likely due to the causation

2017-04-11 16:53:00 UTC

actually I have some evolving views here, about the whole thing, but I don't know where that's going to go right now

2017-04-11 16:53:31 UTC

everyone knows what a sociopath is, no one knows what a sociopath is

2017-04-11 16:53:50 UTC

but yeah, music

2017-04-11 16:54:15 UTC

the idea is, music is deeply appealing because it resonates with the true self

2017-04-11 16:54:23 UTC

"touches the heart" you could say

2017-04-11 16:54:30 UTC

good music I mean

2017-04-11 16:56:39 UTC

will catch up with this later

2017-04-11 16:56:43 UTC

gtg shop some groceries

2017-04-11 17:55:23 UTC

I found new sources of fat, food cost now down to $2/day

2017-04-11 17:55:37 UTC

61 dollars a month

2017-04-11 17:57:24 UTC

my investments pay for almost 10 times cost of food

2017-04-11 18:01:02 UTC

american christians really are revolting subhumans. I got a lecture in mental health concepts in different cultures, most of it being focused on perceived diseases according to folk definitions in different cultures, and it said whites in the american south actually believe in witchcraft and hexes

2017-04-11 18:05:32 UTC

Faith of the American frontier, is one primitive, dumbed down, sensual worldview of sub-tropical areas

2017-04-11 18:05:43 UTC

And betrays the spirit of the negro villages at every corner

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