Message from @fallot

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2017-04-11 16:43:02 UTC  

but is nevertheless playing a big role, each "mask" is a subset of the true self in a way

2017-04-11 16:43:19 UTC  

a sociopath is someone who has no true self, has not developed one, or cannot access his true self in any way (theory)

2017-04-11 16:43:38 UTC  

due to the above issue, never having formed a loving bond with another human being

2017-04-11 16:43:42 UTC  

in a critical stage of development

2017-04-11 16:44:10 UTC  

usually that bond would be with a parent or parents (and a few more people for most healthy individuals)

2017-04-11 16:44:37 UTC  

For me, sociopathy has so far been, In my undestanding, defined by these two

2017-04-11 16:45:01 UTC  

1. Ability to understand how human emotions work, but not to genuinely display or posses them

2017-04-11 16:45:19 UTC  

(hence psychopaths/sociopaths are masters at deception)

2017-04-11 16:45:37 UTC  

2. Inability for any loyalties other than towards one self

2017-04-11 16:45:56 UTC  

both are indeed qualities possessed by the sociopath

2017-04-11 16:46:08 UTC  

except 1

2017-04-11 16:46:12 UTC  

needs a bit more nuance

2017-04-11 16:46:20 UTC  

a sociopath may be very capable indeed at displaying human emotions

2017-04-11 16:46:28 UTC  

3. Due to the above, and other cumulative effects, inclination towards destructive, violent behaviors (due to inability to perceive any sense of collective)

2017-04-11 16:46:42 UTC  

by displaying you mean faking

2017-04-11 16:46:44 UTC  

more consequence than collective

2017-04-11 16:46:50 UTC  

well no I don't

2017-04-11 16:46:57 UTC  

a sociopath in display

2017-04-11 16:47:16 UTC  

is not just mimicking expressions etc, they are actively processing that emotion

2017-04-11 16:47:25 UTC  

but cannot appreciate its significance

2017-04-11 16:47:37 UTC  

I would speculate some kind of mirror neuron thing going on

2017-04-11 16:47:56 UTC  

and sociopaths do genuinely feel anger, resentment, etc.

2017-04-11 16:48:21 UTC  

some people who lack affect in near aspergers way are sociopaths, but by no means even a significant minority

2017-04-11 16:48:37 UTC  

sociopaths more often than not, process emotions of people going about

2017-04-11 16:48:44 UTC  

than do they deal with their own emotional life

2017-04-11 16:48:46 UTC  

dont you think ?

2017-04-11 16:48:56 UTC  

since manipulations is almost as if their primary concern

2017-04-11 16:49:03 UTC  

the idea is the true sociopath cannot deal with their own emotional life

2017-04-11 16:49:13 UTC  

or gain any insight into it

2017-04-11 16:49:54 UTC  

couple that with inability to feel remorse and you get your 3

2017-04-11 16:49:57 UTC  

my idea is that sociopaths should be dealt with according to their actions, if any deviant behaviors they display

2017-04-11 16:50:02 UTC  

it isn't based off of a collective spirit

2017-04-11 16:50:04 UTC  

as if they are a fact of life just as any other

2017-04-11 16:50:09 UTC  

that isn't what stops people from doing bad shit generally either

2017-04-11 16:50:12 UTC  

except like, Chinese people

2017-04-11 16:50:17 UTC  

and even there, it's a layer on top

2017-04-11 16:50:34 UTC  

No, I was talking about their destructiveness

2017-04-11 16:50:47 UTC  

A sociopath isn't destructive because he feels no empathy

2017-04-11 16:50:56 UTC  

They will more easily be destructive towards society, since they don't consider people or property as of having a value greater than utilitarian

2017-04-11 16:51:08 UTC  

but because he fears no consequence

2017-04-11 16:51:13 UTC  

yeah, that's reasonable