I agree that they played the people with making themselves household names and being associated with popular ideas, basically: fabricating their actual popularity and approval. However, when left to the people choosing, there will always be this kind of corruption. Not the choosing itself but the democratic process. To choose to follow the natural leaders who extend themselves in your community is a natural thing but, to select from a catalogue of self professed leaders and politicians is unnatural and flawed.

More so than the older ways, that is.

They weren't perfect but, what is?

Agreed.

brb need a sando

k

mmm

I feel the same way after a coke and a smoke.

@diversity_is_racism We were just discussing how to take over the world. Thoughts?

WORLD DOMINATION

WELL

IS IT NEEDED?

DOMINATION OF THE WEST

IS SENSIBLE AND WORTH STRIVING FOR

MAIN GOAL IS TO UNITE 2-5% OF POPULATION

REMOVE DEMOCRACY

SET UP NEW POWER STRUCTURE

@HeimatFreiheitTradition GLAD TO SEE YOU AROUND

The original meaning of the word World (or Weorld) was Europe.

@MRB SANDO = SANDWICH?

@-A IT IS OUR WORLD

THE REST OF THE WORLD... IS MERELY BACKGROUND

WE FOCUS ON OURSELVES

LIKE GOOD REALISTS

@diversity_is_racism Yeah. Ate fresh today.

SWEET

COOKING/GROWING TOTALLY REDUCED MY FAITH IN PACKAGED FOOD

I have the Subway tramps trained when my wife gets lazy lol

NOT THAT THERE WAS A HELL OF A LOT IN THE FIRST PLACE

TRAINED, EH?

"50 SHADES OF PASTRAMI"

@MRB isn't it interesting how they are strong, independent and don't need no man yet, they will spend the rest of their lives making other women's husbands (and kids) sandwiches?

I love the kitchen. If I weren't pretty sizably French I would wonder about my inclinations.

@-A They lie.

And then double down when called out with evidence in hand.

Then they wipe their mouths and say they did nothing wrong.

Ooof https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhLd18Xg6x0

THIEVES! LIARS!

GREAT TUNE

ALL ONE NEEDS FROM MINISTRY IS THE LIVE EP

Yeah!

Wow, this is some premie Punk shit. They sound like Brit Punks from the seventies and eighties.

Sorry, not quite as schooled on this shit as I should be. My grandfather liked it and I went more Goth.

INFLUENCE CONFIRMED BY GUITARIST'S NEXT PROJECT

MINISTRY WAS A BRIDGE

BETWEEN METALHEADS, PUNKS, INDUSTRIAL AND NORMAL INDIE ROCKERS

PRETTY MUCH EVERYONE OWNED THAT LP

BUT THE COOL KIDS

HAD THE VHS TAPE

OF THE LIVE EP

THOSE WERE LIKE GOLD

Kind of like how in my heyday the cool kids had God was in The TV and the original Spooky Kids vids and LP's. I don't know how you feel about teh Marilyn, though.

Don't get me started on the NIN fanbois. They really degenerated after their late 90's album.

IMO NIN went shit after pretty hate machine

You didn't like Downward Spiral? Or the Fragile?

Not so much. No.

That was the soundtrack of my teen years road trips. I guess we didn't know what good music was. At least Type O Negative was still together and Pete Steele was alive and kicking.

Here's one I'm sure Brett likes too lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1cRGVaJF7Y

and Nitzer Ebb, etc lol

@-A I was heavy in to punk in most my HS years tbh. I crossed over between punk, Beastie Boys, early Metalica, etc

Interesting time in music

I agree now that I am older and Outside of Society. Where I want to be. My younger years were spent listening to what I wasn't supposed to, though.

LOL same here. I left home early though, so I had little to stop my exploration

God, what I wouldn't have given to have just been able to work in a factory, garage or wherever in my last two years of high school and get the fuck out. I was rather frustrated around 17 and 18 and strangely, nobody understood that I wanted a life of my own. I had other kids saying to me "But kids our age don't know how to be grown ups yet."

Nobody would hire under 18 save for very underpaid retail. At least is led to experience and a job history.

Yeah. That's why at 18 I went to the military. lol

Really? My father, until just recently, was in the 44th Medcom. He strictly forbade recruiters from talking to any of his kids. To this day, he dislikes what the military has become and is the primary reason (other than wanting Hillary behind bars) he voted for Trump.

He would ride recruiters' asses like a bull rider if they stepped on his toes. Being able to correct over-ranking military surgeons went to his head a tad.

Can't say I blame him. Recruiters are the lowest form IMO.

I see.

from a colleague, a response to me saying i want to protect my family from hoards of fanatic leftists: "If you are busy being a virtuous person and understanding that human beings are innocent people regardless of how their mind and spirit is shaped and those people want to destroy you then so be it. It is not for us to save ourselves....but it is my feeling that if you are living a righteous life you will not find yourself in a position where harm will come to you. This is my opinion." - playing along with this belief system, i ask how do you know what virtue/righteousness is? the response: "It is ingrained in you....you just know whats right in your soul. its part of your makeup... some choose to adhere to it and some choose to ignore it.." - how convenient eh? of course he doesn't consider it convenient. it's apparently very difficult to do whatever makes you feel good. he doesn't consider himself a christian cuz he's not into labels man.

I REMEMBER FRONT 242

ONE OF MY USERS (ON BBS) WAS WAY INTO THAT BAND

@Gil O'Teen that is just some plain old bullshit. I don't think even they believe that and if they do, it makes them feel good to believe it. Cut them out of your life as best as possible.

German industrial something or other. Forgot how they classed it.

Eisbrecher anybody?

@Gil O'Teen Meh. That's great if you're the last man on earth, but we don't live in a bubble. The threat is an external, so self-righteousness does/means/is nothing but mental masturbation.

Chimps gunna chimp in other words

@-A he's a big conspiracy nut too. it's fun talking about the JQ with him but yeah it does get tiresome talking with people who have such all encompassing fatalistic worldviews.

@ Gil O'Teen Is he for or against the JQ? Does it trigger his Hitler or his Stalin?

@-A he thinks hitler did nothing wrong. big fan of saddam hussein too.

@MRB TRUE. WE ALL DEPEND ON SOCIETY. OR AT LEAST: IT HELPS US BE ABLE TO DO MORE THAN OTHERWISE.

so it's not all bad

THE JQ IS A DISTRACTION

THE WAR ON LEFTISM IS NOT

NOR IS THE WAR ON INDIVIDUALISM

WHICH IS HUBRIS

THE ROOT OF OUR BROKENNESS

he's the kind of conspiracy guy who gets so deep that he becomes neutralized. he thinks everything is controlled and nothing can truly be known. solipsism.

@MRB Agreed. Living with saintly thoughts resting on simply being virtuous without regard to those that mean to do you harm is overly solipsistic.

Reminds me of the cuck think line "take the moral high ground"

BRB. Getting a late lunch.

if i had that mindset i think i would at least join a church and get my family in there to help protect them. i'm sure he could find something that roughly matches up with that kind of thinking. he's totally checked out though. he thinks each individual needs to figure things out and there's nothing he can do to prevent anything with his kids. i work with the guy though so it's hard to directly criticize these things. i just talk with him on his level.

Is he an introvert?

yeah

Yeah. Seems like it. It seems like one of those "perfect world" ethical points of view. Those only work on paper, and given all the assumptions work. Idealistic while not at all pragmatic.

he thinks the world is completely controlled. nothing but your own personal experience can be trusted. if you try and get success you're playing into their hands. if you try and resist you'll get crushed. so all you can do is be passive and be true to conscience or whatever.

Defeatist solipsism?

yep