The "who decides" question is the same problem, in part, with egalitarianism.

I do, though, think we should be allowed to fully self segregate as a natural right of sorts.

I think that problem would solve itself as natural leaders take their newfound opportunities to lead their locales and their groups of peers. Eventually, the upper echelons of the nation would flesh out among these leaders and hence: Organic Hierarchy.

Agreed

And that's why I mentioned it's somewhat like we have now. We aren't happy with that though. Unfortunately we can't opt out - and for that matter never willfully entered in to the agreement as it was made at birth.

I also see the problem as the most skilled at selling empty promises and parasitism have risen using our "competitive" system.

They have moved in to fill the vacuum of our proper elite.

Then they used their popularity as external validation of their status.

"Then they used their popularity as external validation of their status." or their skill motivated/manipulated folks to see it that way.

The problem we have now, and back to something Brett says: lack of consequentialism. The results dont matter. Feeling good does to too many.

That goes back to my comment on opting out/volunteerism. We shouldn't have to replace the elites - we should be able to select them by what we follow.

I agree that they played the people with making themselves household names and being associated with popular ideas, basically: fabricating their actual popularity and approval. However, when left to the people choosing, there will always be this kind of corruption. Not the choosing itself but the democratic process. To choose to follow the natural leaders who extend themselves in your community is a natural thing but, to select from a catalogue of self professed leaders and politicians is unnatural and flawed.

More so than the older ways, that is.

They weren't perfect but, what is?

Agreed.

brb need a sando

k

mmm

I feel the same way after a coke and a smoke.

@diversity_is_racism We were just discussing how to take over the world. Thoughts?

WORLD DOMINATION

WELL

IS IT NEEDED?

DOMINATION OF THE WEST

IS SENSIBLE AND WORTH STRIVING FOR

MAIN GOAL IS TO UNITE 2-5% OF POPULATION

REMOVE DEMOCRACY

SET UP NEW POWER STRUCTURE

@HeimatFreiheitTradition GLAD TO SEE YOU AROUND

The original meaning of the word World (or Weorld) was Europe.

@MRB SANDO = SANDWICH?

@-A IT IS OUR WORLD

THE REST OF THE WORLD... IS MERELY BACKGROUND

WE FOCUS ON OURSELVES

LIKE GOOD REALISTS

@diversity_is_racism Yeah. Ate fresh today.

SWEET

COOKING/GROWING TOTALLY REDUCED MY FAITH IN PACKAGED FOOD

I have the Subway tramps trained when my wife gets lazy lol

NOT THAT THERE WAS A HELL OF A LOT IN THE FIRST PLACE

TRAINED, EH?