@MRB MY GUESS IS IT WAS NOT A PHILOSOPHICAL MOVEMENT

RATHER, THE SUCCESS OF SOCIETY PLUS CONTACT WITH OUTSIDERS

THESE LED TO PEASANT REVOLTS

AND EVENTUALLY, THE ENLIGHTENMENT(TM)

Makes sense

ALL SOCIETIES SEEM TO DIE

THE KEY TO ME WAS THE MAYA

THEY DIED THE SAME WAY THE ROMANS DID

WITH ZERO JEWS OR CHRISTIANS PRESENT

THIS MEANS

IT IS SOMETHING INHERENT TO CIVILIZATION

AN OXIDATIVE PROCESS

Romans were Christians when they died.

CAUSE OR EFFECT

?

Tough question

I WOULD ARGUE "EFFECT"

ROME WAS IN DECLINE FOR SOME TIME

IT NEVER QUITE GOT OVER ITS FRACTURED ORIGIN

AND ALSO

IT WAS AWASH IN SUCCESS

I'm still debating. Your points are valid.

Good morning hello!

Good morning!

@diversity_is_racism "Effect" as well, although Rome would have fallen with or without Constantine's acceptance/mainstreaming. However, the economic model of conquest was also baked in the same cake.

@diversity_is_racism I installed BRAVE

@Maarat how many did you take? Perhaps you are very sensitive to acetominophen. Did you hallucinate spiders all morning?
@diversity_is_racism One of my favorite history teachers often said that in the colonial days, European powers viewed all resources as being linear. I don't know if that is true given agriculture and everything but, he said they were especially desperate because once the resources were gone, they were gone for good. Forever and ever. With mining this makes sense but, how much of their proposed resources were metals?

@diversity_is_racism Should we be like ExCathedra and start thinking about a new religion for a new Epoch?

good evening from finland

Good evening. How late is it there?

@Metalheim Good evening.

@-A The resources of conquest - specifically metals and wood were (maybe are) linear

constantine did not cause rome to fall

jeebus made rome stronger

as it gave them unity

and made a new religion around the emperor

while adopting the common mystery religion and neo-platonic thought

making jesus take the plce of all the gods

made perfect sense

one god, one son, one emperor

one logos, one orthodoxy

@MRB but trees can grow back.

@-A Not as fast as they were being used for infrastructure, war, etc.

Specifically what was required for ship keels at the time.

@MRB I see. That did make things quite desperate then. Especially what with those Crusades and such.

@Maarat Not to mention that whole "perfect man" biz.

hi all. i've been a fan of brett steven's work for nearly 10 years now. met some great people along the way and very happy to see more socializing going on everywhere. looking forward to chatting now and then. cheers.

Cheers.

AAAAAAAnd radio silence once a bright eyed and bushy tailed enthused fellow comes along. Gotta love the morale.

lol

So, gentleman, plans to take over the world?

Every day. Then I hit the morning commute and say fuck it.

That is some cynical realism right there. Perhaps we can locate the weak links in Occidental security, gather disaffected Euros and make appointments with the Aristocrats left standing? I am pretty mellowed out but, I still got a lot of rage in me.

Pass the matches.

We can lure the yoofs with some good old datura spiked alcohol and granny strippers parading them to cages on ships headed for Africa. They can thank us for the drinks and free rides in the form of reduced costs on wholesale coffee and chocolate.

I'm really waiting to see what/how ANTIFA gets spun for their latest antics. Call me an optimist here, but I think there's a lot to work with.

They just need the corpse of Mao hung around their necks

Expose them for the communists they actually are.

Let the normies sort them out while we sort the normies

hey mao was doing it for political power

most antifa are just losers

If we do the outing, we will be the heroes. It is kind of like when you leave a cat stuck in your room with the AC off all day on accident and your dumbass cousin tries to "console" her through the crack of the door. That cat won't care if YOU locked her in, just that YOU let her out.

who don't get that mao was ful of shit

brimming

all commies were bourgeois and nobles.

except maybe Stalin

the left has seen too many movies. there will be no violent revolution. trump is still getting set up. sessions isn't even in yet. i have faith he'll straighten things out and it will happen very quickly and easily. subconsciously they all need a spanking. we're gonna see things change very quickly i think.

It's the start of the healing process now that the band-aid is on.

@-A Healing process? Who needs healing?

by too many movies i mean they actually think they can take down evil governments by popular resistance. they're going through the same 60s script. well...they lost that battle physically too but won the culture war. now the culture is swinging back. they have no physical chance. they are not the reds of a century ago.

trump is the new reagan and thatcher

ready to end the leftist fun

@MRB The West needs healing. Trump is a good sign that will make a feedback loop of increasing rightism unless it is squandered and the people go back to sleep.

There's a part of my thinking, and I know this is a bit biased, that leftist thinking/belief needs to be coddled, developed and learned. Non-leftist (conservatism for example) is more a natural state. That being said, ending the left gives us what's natural.

Then again I am more tribal/anarchist than most. lol

@MRB I am pretty sure that at least most of the people here would agree with you. Do you read Brett's work on Amerika.org? That is the kind of thing he would say.

Been reading it for years 😋

Bias confirmed!!😝

I sort of split it in masculine/feminine though. Provider/provided for. Conqueror/conquered even

...and I definitely see the left as feminine.

Yes. As the saying goes, they are like shit-testing women. Especially the women.

LOL yup

Or as I say: only faggots and women vote democrat

That is the unabashed truth and one that needs a slogan.

I can see the high schoolers now: "I'm not gay...GO TRUMP!!"

@MRB How do you feel about the Organic Hierarchy and Monarchy/Aristocracy values that Brett believes in. I am partial to it myself but many of his readers think that it is outmoded terminology and means to OH and even that it is just plain undoable.

I agree with it to a certain extent. I think in many ways, though, we have that now to some extent too. The notion of "freedom" gets in the way of seeing that fully realized though. The terminology is irrelevant to me - I get the meaning more than the means.

Yep. What is important is that the best lead and we all do our part based on our own skills and natures.

The inherent problem (and I acknowledge I haven't fleshed the notion fully yet) is there is the problem of "who decides". Perhaps there is a free market sort of volunteerism that would get us there. Not sure how to get from current state to desired.

The "who decides" question is the same problem, in part, with egalitarianism.

I do, though, think we should be allowed to fully self segregate as a natural right of sorts.

I think that problem would solve itself as natural leaders take their newfound opportunities to lead their locales and their groups of peers. Eventually, the upper echelons of the nation would flesh out among these leaders and hence: Organic Hierarchy.

Agreed

And that's why I mentioned it's somewhat like we have now. We aren't happy with that though. Unfortunately we can't opt out - and for that matter never willfully entered in to the agreement as it was made at birth.

I also see the problem as the most skilled at selling empty promises and parasitism have risen using our "competitive" system.

They have moved in to fill the vacuum of our proper elite.

Then they used their popularity as external validation of their status.

"Then they used their popularity as external validation of their status." or their skill motivated/manipulated folks to see it that way.

The problem we have now, and back to something Brett says: lack of consequentialism. The results dont matter. Feeling good does to too many.

That goes back to my comment on opting out/volunteerism. We shouldn't have to replace the elites - we should be able to select them by what we follow.