THE KEY TO ME WAS THE MAYA

THEY DIED THE SAME WAY THE ROMANS DID

WITH ZERO JEWS OR CHRISTIANS PRESENT

THIS MEANS

IT IS SOMETHING INHERENT TO CIVILIZATION

AN OXIDATIVE PROCESS

Romans were Christians when they died.

CAUSE OR EFFECT

?

Tough question

I WOULD ARGUE "EFFECT"

ROME WAS IN DECLINE FOR SOME TIME

IT NEVER QUITE GOT OVER ITS FRACTURED ORIGIN

AND ALSO

IT WAS AWASH IN SUCCESS

I'm still debating. Your points are valid.

Good morning hello!

Good morning!

@diversity_is_racism "Effect" as well, although Rome would have fallen with or without Constantine's acceptance/mainstreaming. However, the economic model of conquest was also baked in the same cake.

@diversity_is_racism I installed BRAVE

@Maarat how many did you take? Perhaps you are very sensitive to acetominophen. Did you hallucinate spiders all morning?
@diversity_is_racism One of my favorite history teachers often said that in the colonial days, European powers viewed all resources as being linear. I don't know if that is true given agriculture and everything but, he said they were especially desperate because once the resources were gone, they were gone for good. Forever and ever. With mining this makes sense but, how much of their proposed resources were metals?

@diversity_is_racism Should we be like ExCathedra and start thinking about a new religion for a new Epoch?

good evening from finland

Good evening. How late is it there?

@Metalheim Good evening.

@-A The resources of conquest - specifically metals and wood were (maybe are) linear

constantine did not cause rome to fall

jeebus made rome stronger

as it gave them unity

and made a new religion around the emperor

while adopting the common mystery religion and neo-platonic thought

making jesus take the plce of all the gods

made perfect sense

one god, one son, one emperor

one logos, one orthodoxy

@MRB but trees can grow back.

@-A Not as fast as they were being used for infrastructure, war, etc.

Specifically what was required for ship keels at the time.

@MRB I see. That did make things quite desperate then. Especially what with those Crusades and such.

@Maarat Not to mention that whole "perfect man" biz.

hi all. i've been a fan of brett steven's work for nearly 10 years now. met some great people along the way and very happy to see more socializing going on everywhere. looking forward to chatting now and then. cheers.