@Fusion brilliant

sarcasm

Mussolini himself was a socialist before he developed the concept of fascism

Yep

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thus fascism naturally borrowed a lot from Marxism, socialism, and communism which had preceded it

were am I?

In a place where you will receive headpats :3

woop woop

I've been througn socialism. It sucks.

@// tell us your story please.

@// where from?

Russia.

Socialism - any form - also necessiates totalitarianism, so that the individual exists as a means to the ends of the state, always in the name of the common good. Collectivism and big government is prioritized over individualism and limited government

ah, youve been through a dictatorship@//

Well, when I've reached maturity it was already falling apart

Hi

Thanks Gorbachev

@Clonemaster™ 6.41 socialism does not have a standard definition, it varies depending on the country/people doing it

usually a response to capitalism failling a people

for instance in venzuela it is called " chavismo"

I don't recall there having been a socialist regime without an authoritarian/totalitarian government

It's what must be done in order for the government's centralized planning to be upheld. It's essential.

for instance in venzuela it is called " chavismo"

Gave most of you serious user and removed @Blood cuck role so if your debate ever gets memed up in main chat you can move to <#356277119862439937> 🙂

And some countries espouse socialsim but aren't willing to do what's necessary to enact it wholly.

So they're not really socialist

At least, the economy isn't

@king 😃

@Clonemaster™ 6.41 true

What *is* 'real socialism', in your view?

@// like i said there are no standard definitions, every country that tries it does it differently

but, i would say the core of it should be to remove poverty

and make shure humans can survive and have a foundation to grow from

@//

I can hear you.

All humans? Regardless of their will to contribute their abilities to society?

@// well for instance in venezuela, they were happy to work for the socialist programs, coz before the corporations were treating them like shit due to no regulations, low wages too,

@// but yea i would think that in a country like the u.s people would be to lazy

hence should not be innacted

Venezuela isn't exactly an example of a successful country.

i agree

but is an example of people sticking to their game plan and trying to make it work

and having some success

also the main obstacles of venezuela is economic warfare, and sanctions by the u.s

which cripple them

infact just this year trump gave them more sanctions

@// mainly state/government ownership of the means of production, centralized economic planning, and the redistribution of wealth by the state. And state-funded education, universal healthcare and/or welfare, guaranteed emplyoment, and since the state, by these means assumes ultimate responsibility for the well-being of the individual, every aspect of life is penetrated in order for it to happen that way. Since the state is providing you everything you need to live, the people are dependant upon the state for every aspect of their well being and this is all the leverage they need for total control over the people. This is where the totalitarian regime comes in. This is how nearly *every* socialist society has gone about.

I disagree with the concept of marxist socialism in entirety

huehuehue

@Clonemaster™ 6.41 true, socialism is a perfect target for power hungry men

Big government is always involved

>using rare pepes as currency that are actually worth more than the national currencyand eating all of the zoo animals is an example of 'people sticking to their game plan and trying to make it work'

@Extra Crispy lol more propaganda

muh prograbunda XD

just liek they ate their own pets too?@Extra Crispy 😂

Are some here really doing the 'but that wasn't true socialism' thing?

that's what happens when you starve

Oh, man.

The people or citizens never really own everything as a community. It's always, *always* been the state representatives. This is how it always turns out, it doesn't work for them any other way. Because I don't know how to run a fucking business - that's why private ownership of businesses are important

@Extra Crispy how about the u.s funded right wing oposition burning down mega food distribution centers? does that make them starve?

the electricity might be free, but god forbid you drink the water or try to buy toilet paper from the stores

@king Apparently @Blood was uncucked. Would you please return him to <@&350743889667424256> status given that he is still an unabashed leftist?

can you prove that they're "u.s. funded?'

@Fusion seconded. This has gone on long enough.

yes, marco rubio was on fox last month trying to get support from the base to give them another 20 million this year, its not a hidden fact@Extra Crispy

........I mean seriously, how the fuck does *a n y o n e* advocate for socialism when it's always turned out this way???

Plan-based economy always ends up producing more or less products than needed, because no government can predict the entire way the country goes
And any of this require assuming that once human gets power, he'll use it to satisfy the values of others and not himself

and human nature doesn't work that way.

provide sources

Exactly

Reminder that if I was mod, he would be cucked, albeit still allowed to talk as he hasn't spammed the chat or tried to troll anyone

NUT REEL SOCIALISM!

It doesn't matter how you spin it

@// do you know what democratic socialism means? decentralized power

whut is this?

Democratic socialsim is still national socialsim and is thus fascism

LOL

smh

It means magic socialism with sprinkles on top rather than no sprinkles at all

💪 😤

But since so many people don't really know what the hell they're talking about they'd freak out if I said that

😂 👌

well im a white nationalist. sorry

@Blood Give me half your stuff and go work so i so i don't have to. NOW.

@Clonemaster™ 6.41 no, its just not a reality,

Because fascism has such an automatic negative association - as it should

marxist socialism does not function, because it gives priority toward welfare and dysgenic practices

democratic socialism means Vietnam

And as should socislism

@futurestorms lol thats not how it works

and we all know how Vietnam turned out

@Blood NOW.

what is the right server and why did i get invited to it please ander me fags

some socialist practices such as taxes that are not marxist are somewhat useful, and even then only to a degree

anser*

@Zerek44 Were you a part of Centipede Central?

If so, you were invited to this server.

@Blood it is reality. Look at history. Don't repeat the same mistakes

Because CC got shut down.

like one day 8 months ago

@Blood **NOW**

why

@Extra Crispy no small buiss, get taxed in venezuela

CC is ded.

why

Because it just is.

Decentralized management leads to in-state conflicts and separatism.
Okay, this chat is being derailed.

😂 😂 😂

you guys are ghiiah

>implying people in Venezuela have the money to start a small business

<:tbhfam:356316888109940738>

speak english you retarded pseudo intellectual @Blood

also, in reality we see the u.s sabotage and really make shure they socialist movements dont work, hence venezuela

This is why they've tried to place fascism upon the right of the political spectrum, and why they've tried to say that the Nazis weren't socialist, because if everyone knew the truth, nobody would want socialsim

>implying a small business in Venezuela wouldn't go under due to excessive government regulation

what do you mean when you say 'no small buiss'

you're making retarded claims that you're not even willing to provide the sources for

sorry, guys, I'm just unloading in the chat here

just becuase marco shat a poem out of his ass doesn't mean the US gov't is funding revolutions in venezuela

It doesn't matter whether or not small businesses don't get taxed in Venezuela

@Clonemaster™ 6.41 you really think germany had no capitalism? and was socialist?

It had capitalism in name only

What matters is that people don't have the money due to the socialist economic system to start a small business

@Blood Give me your stuff and work so i can go to school for free, or la policia will come to your door at night and take you away.

Also, the excessive government regulation means that money you save on not getting taxed still goes to the government(by paying for other fees and the like).

the best eras in human history for capitalism were the 17-1900's

I still believe that democracy is life and communism is death.

FB is prompting me to follow Cuckerberg - what for - 2020 propaganda amirite?

@Extra Crispy The 1950's in America were the golden era if capitalism.

I agree for the most part

@Extra Crispy 1900's? when corporations abusing workers gave birth to socialist movements in the u.s and started gaining traction, and forced FDR to make the "new deal"

@฿ⱤɆӾł₮ɆɆⱤ fb is cancer.

@Blood The means of production was technically privately-owned, but this was only by a superficial level, as the state had every say in how it was run and bore the substantive powers of ownership regardless. This being the introduction of price and wage controls in 1936 as a response to the inflation caused by all the governemnt spending necessary for all its programs and subsidies. And *furthermore*, the government took outright control over what was produced, in what quantity, by what methods, and to whom it was distrubuted. This constitutes the de-facto socialization of the economic system. The government was still excersising the powers of ownership. And the alleged position of a private owner basically became that of a government pensioner.

why discuss politics in an echochamber. even when someone who agrees with you 91 percent of the time says something you disagree on you waste a ton of fucking time here instead of doing something usefull like stockpiling for the race war

don't you like the 'new deal?' its socialist just like you

^^^^^

@Blood it's what you call de-facto socialism

>implying there will be a race war

@futurestorms Yup it is. But unfortuately I have to use it for - work things. <:PepeSpecial:356316713429499905>

if it were not for the new deal, you would be workin 12 hours a day under shit conditions, like a slave

socialism has gone through a real fucky roller coaster when it comes to definitions throughout history

@king I think someone( @Zerek44 ) needs a cucking

it used to referr to terms such as taxes and crap, then it expanded to include marxism, etc

why

@฿ⱤɆӾł₮ɆɆⱤ My lady uses it for her business. It's a free website, basically.

<:tbhfam:356316888109940738>

im implying that it will most likely be a race genocide probably

^this is why

The New Deal didn't change working conditions for workers.

See, I just explained how the Nazis not being socialist because of 'state-run capitalism' is a myth because the government *still* fucking had control over everything

its almost inevitable that there will be a conflict surrounding race in the upcoming 5-15 years

it gave protections for workers

increased wages

if its not started by the economy, it will be started by the gov't starting shitty plans

And slowed the rebuilding of the American economy post-Depression.

The progressives in the Republican party - who ironically would be more conservative than the current 'progressives' - were the ones who drew those boundaries

ight peace guys

increasing variables like the minimum wage will not solve any problem, but will instead likely just inflate the currency even more if it's fiat

Oh, man. So edgy in here right now, i could shave with it.

@Fusion o gee, well i guess the alternative would be people working 12 hours aday and paid 25 cents an hour today

sweet

have a nice cold beer and keep it up, your changing lives out there!

meanwhile the corporations get rich

sweet

The irony being that 25 cents an hour would be worth about $25 an hour today

@Fusion yea i said today

lol

i mean 25 cents rn

It wouldn't be a bad thing because the dollar wouldn't have become massively devalued.

fiat currency is only as valuable as the value that people give it. Very very few corporations out of the total corporations are truly enjoying the 'get rich scheme' of the current economy

The dollar would in fact have stiill been worth so much more than it is today

should a wage increase be mandated, it would only just raise the cost of labor, and as such the resulting product will cost more

thats what they would pay you, infact we see what corporatiions do when not watched by gov, look at chine apple factories, they literally put suicide nets so that the workers dont kill themselves coz of shitty working conditions

@Extra Crispy

the USD as it is worth today is only worth 5 cents of what it was worth in 1905

Yeah, that's what they would pay us because the dollar would be worth that

It wouldn't have been, b/c inflation is a direct result of economic growth

corporations are a government invention lmao

thats what they would pay you, infact we see what corporatiions do when not watched by gov, look at chine apple factories, they literally put suicide nets so that the workers dont kill themselves coz of shitty working conditions ,@Extra Crispy thats what it would be here if not for the new deal

what makes you think the government would do their job better

The currency is devalued tremendously compared to what it used to be.

FDR was the one who started the inflation of the currency by forcibly confiscating private gold

if not for socialist movements that forced the new deal

Hey, your currency didn't competely lose value 3 times in the 20th century.

then Richard Nixon made the biggest mistake of all time and took us off the gold standard.

@Fusion he did it on purpose

True, and our currency isn't so devalued that an American could be a millionaire there(like Zimbabwe)

Preach it @Fusion

Yeah, he did it on purpose to fuck the value of the dollar up.

deflation would be the direct result of economic growth

This is getting conspiracey.

Even at the absolute worst period of the Great Depression, where the economy was at its worst, the dollar was worth more then than it is now.

good to see no one could retort this statement "infact we see what corporatiions do when not watched by gov, look at chine apple factories, they literally put suicide nets so that the workers dont kill themselves coz of shitty working conditions ,@Extra Crispy thats what it would be here if not for the new deal

for example, if you based the economy of a whole society off a brick of gold, and printed more and more cash that represented that gold, those bills would only represent an increasingly smaller amount of that gold as it increases in value

@Extra Crispy read on it, deflation means stagnation

gg nice chat boys

The irony being that the Chinese companies are watched by the government, who simply don't care enough to implement safety protocols

deflation increases the purchasing power of the currency

I mean, when human lives are just assets of the state, when one dies, you just replace him with another one

@Fusion they are bought of by corporations

a dollar as it is worth today is worth barely a fraction of what it was worth even 100 years ago

@Blood well, you didn't retort my explaination about Nazi Germany's de-facto socialism either 😉

Correction.

Because you can't refute the truth

@Clonemaster™ 6.41 it was so socialist it was a right wing dictatorship

That doesn't make any sense

They are bribed by officials in the communist party who have connections to these businesses and stand to make lots of money from them.

>it was so socialist

you dont even know what sort of system they even used

do you

centralized power=right wing, decentralized gov= left wing

That's not the definition of right-wing and left-wing politics.

the other way around

You literally switched the definitions

You're thinking of authoritarian and libertarian

centralized power=authoritarian, decentralized gov=libertarian.

socialism is not inherently marxist

however modern socialism as it is today, is

you want the gov to be small so that corporations can have unchecked power dont you? @Clonemaster™ 6.41 ]

True, as socialism existed well before Marx came up with his ideas

Far-right is anarchy, that was the complete opposite of what Nazi Germany was

Not necessarily true, @Clonemaster™ 6.41

A lot of the anarchists are aligned with the communists

"free market" and then they start paying off gov...o wait they already do that

@Blood how does that 'un-checked' power affect you personally though?

>> less money is requried to acquire existing produce >> produce falls in value >> production amounts fall due to not being profitable anymore

Antifa, for example, is an anarchocommunist group

heyho, crisis

Hey guys

modern socialism operates very differently from marxism and marxist practices, such as welfare, food stamp style systems, etc

what happened 2 cc

How does it oppress you?

"free market" and then they start paying off gov...o wait they already do that@Clonemaster™ 6.41

Was CC deleted?

hence we see corruption

seems

It was

I was there

cc was fucked up the butthole by a furry and it was shoah'd

Was interesting

CC was nuked.

True

@Blood because it's crony-capitalism

why doe