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2017-09-28 07:26:27 UTC

@Fusion brilliant

2017-09-28 07:26:50 UTC

sarcasm

2017-09-28 07:26:57 UTC

Mussolini himself was a socialist before he developed the concept of fascism

2017-09-28 07:27:04 UTC

Yep

2017-09-28 07:27:15 UTC

?

2017-09-28 07:27:25 UTC

thus fascism naturally borrowed a lot from Marxism, socialism, and communism which had preceded it

2017-09-28 07:27:25 UTC

were am I?

2017-09-28 07:27:39 UTC

In a place where you will receive headpats :3

2017-09-28 07:27:46 UTC

woop woop

2017-09-28 07:27:47 UTC

I've been througn socialism. It sucks.

2017-09-28 07:27:57 UTC

@// tell us your story please.

2017-09-28 07:28:00 UTC

@// where from?

2017-09-28 07:28:05 UTC

Russia.

2017-09-28 07:28:22 UTC

Socialism - any form - also necessiates totalitarianism, so that the individual exists as a means to the ends of the state, always in the name of the common good. Collectivism and big government is prioritized over individualism and limited government

2017-09-28 07:28:29 UTC

ah, youve been through a dictatorship@//

2017-09-28 07:28:32 UTC

Well, when I've reached maturity it was already falling apart

2017-09-28 07:28:39 UTC

Hi

2017-09-28 07:28:59 UTC

Thanks Gorbachev

2017-09-28 07:29:09 UTC

@Clonemaster™ 6.41 socialism does not have a standard definition, it varies depending on the country/people doing it

2017-09-28 07:29:26 UTC

usually a response to capitalism failling a people

2017-09-28 07:29:53 UTC

for instance in venzuela it is called " chavismo"

2017-09-28 07:30:02 UTC

I don't recall there having been a socialist regime without an authoritarian/totalitarian government

2017-09-28 07:30:08 UTC

It's what must be done in order for the government's centralized planning to be upheld. It's essential.

2017-09-28 07:30:18 UTC

for instance in venzuela it is called " chavismo"

2017-09-28 07:30:36 UTC

Gave most of you serious user and removed @Blood cuck role so if your debate ever gets memed up in main chat you can move to <#356277119862439937> 🙂

2017-09-28 07:30:45 UTC

And some countries espouse socialsim but aren't willing to do what's necessary to enact it wholly.

2017-09-28 07:30:52 UTC

So they're not really socialist

2017-09-28 07:31:01 UTC

At least, the economy isn't

2017-09-28 07:31:02 UTC

@king 😃

2017-09-28 07:31:16 UTC
2017-09-28 07:31:18 UTC

What *is* 'real socialism', in your view?

2017-09-28 07:31:45 UTC

@// like i said there are no standard definitions, every country that tries it does it differently

2017-09-28 07:32:12 UTC

but, i would say the core of it should be to remove poverty

2017-09-28 07:32:32 UTC

and make shure humans can survive and have a foundation to grow from

2017-09-28 07:32:35 UTC
2017-09-28 07:32:42 UTC

I can hear you.

2017-09-28 07:33:48 UTC

All humans? Regardless of their will to contribute their abilities to society?

2017-09-28 07:34:45 UTC

@// well for instance in venezuela, they were happy to work for the socialist programs, coz before the corporations were treating them like shit due to no regulations, low wages too,

2017-09-28 07:35:05 UTC

@// but yea i would think that in a country like the u.s people would be to lazy

2017-09-28 07:35:16 UTC

hence should not be innacted

2017-09-28 07:35:16 UTC

Venezuela isn't exactly an example of a successful country.

2017-09-28 07:35:21 UTC

i agree

2017-09-28 07:35:44 UTC

but is an example of people sticking to their game plan and trying to make it work

2017-09-28 07:35:52 UTC

and having some success

2017-09-28 07:36:19 UTC

also the main obstacles of venezuela is economic warfare, and sanctions by the u.s

2017-09-28 07:36:24 UTC

which cripple them

2017-09-28 07:36:43 UTC

infact just this year trump gave them more sanctions

2017-09-28 07:37:00 UTC

@// mainly state/government ownership of the means of production, centralized economic planning, and the redistribution of wealth by the state. And state-funded education, universal healthcare and/or welfare, guaranteed emplyoment, and since the state, by these means assumes ultimate responsibility for the well-being of the individual, every aspect of life is penetrated in order for it to happen that way. Since the state is providing you everything you need to live, the people are dependant upon the state for every aspect of their well being and this is all the leverage they need for total control over the people. This is where the totalitarian regime comes in. This is how nearly *every* socialist society has gone about.

2017-09-28 07:37:29 UTC

I disagree with the concept of marxist socialism in entirety

2017-09-28 07:37:31 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/350739775214583812/362865392601006080/image.png

2017-09-28 07:37:54 UTC

huehuehue

2017-09-28 07:37:55 UTC

@Clonemaster™ 6.41 true, socialism is a perfect target for power hungry men

2017-09-28 07:37:58 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/350739775214583812/362865506446737408/rsz_tqharym.png

2017-09-28 07:38:10 UTC

Big government is always involved

2017-09-28 07:38:11 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/350739775214583812/362865560016519171/image.jpg

2017-09-28 07:38:12 UTC

>using rare pepes as currency that are actually worth more than the national currencyand eating all of the zoo animals is an example of 'people sticking to their game plan and trying to make it work'

2017-09-28 07:38:34 UTC

@Extra Crispy lol more propaganda

2017-09-28 07:38:37 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/350739775214583812/362865670091702272/mEPHGmc.jpg

2017-09-28 07:38:46 UTC

muh prograbunda XD

2017-09-28 07:38:46 UTC

just liek they ate their own pets too?@Extra Crispy 😂

2017-09-28 07:38:56 UTC

Are some here really doing the 'but that wasn't true socialism' thing?

2017-09-28 07:38:56 UTC

that's what happens when you starve

2017-09-28 07:39:06 UTC

Oh, man.

2017-09-28 07:39:49 UTC

The people or citizens never really own everything as a community. It's always, *always* been the state representatives. This is how it always turns out, it doesn't work for them any other way. Because I don't know how to run a fucking business - that's why private ownership of businesses are important

2017-09-28 07:39:54 UTC

@Extra Crispy how about the u.s funded right wing oposition burning down mega food distribution centers? does that make them starve?

2017-09-28 07:40:13 UTC

the electricity might be free, but god forbid you drink the water or try to buy toilet paper from the stores

2017-09-28 07:40:23 UTC

@king Apparently @Blood was uncucked. Would you please return him to <@&350743889667424256> status given that he is still an unabashed leftist?

2017-09-28 07:40:34 UTC

can you prove that they're "u.s. funded?'

2017-09-28 07:41:01 UTC

@Fusion seconded. This has gone on long enough.

2017-09-28 07:41:04 UTC

yes, marco rubio was on fox last month trying to get support from the base to give them another 20 million this year, its not a hidden fact@Extra Crispy

2017-09-28 07:41:10 UTC

........I mean seriously, how the fuck does *a n y o n e* advocate for socialism when it's always turned out this way???

2017-09-28 07:41:13 UTC

Plan-based economy always ends up producing more or less products than needed, because no government can predict the entire way the country goes
And any of this require assuming that once human gets power, he'll use it to satisfy the values of others and not himself

2017-09-28 07:41:22 UTC

and human nature doesn't work that way.

2017-09-28 07:41:25 UTC

provide sources

2017-09-28 07:41:27 UTC

Exactly

2017-09-28 07:41:37 UTC

Reminder that if I was mod, he would be cucked, albeit still allowed to talk as he hasn't spammed the chat or tried to troll anyone

2017-09-28 07:41:41 UTC

NUT REEL SOCIALISM!

2017-09-28 07:41:43 UTC

It doesn't matter how you spin it

2017-09-28 07:41:48 UTC

@// do you know what democratic socialism means? decentralized power

2017-09-28 07:41:49 UTC

whut is this?

2017-09-28 07:41:56 UTC

Democratic socialsim is still national socialsim and is thus fascism

2017-09-28 07:42:01 UTC

LOL

2017-09-28 07:42:06 UTC

smh

2017-09-28 07:42:08 UTC

It means magic socialism with sprinkles on top rather than no sprinkles at all

2017-09-28 07:42:15 UTC

💪 😤

2017-09-28 07:42:20 UTC

But since so many people don't really know what the hell they're talking about they'd freak out if I said that

2017-09-28 07:42:23 UTC

😂 👌

2017-09-28 07:42:35 UTC

well im a white nationalist. sorry

2017-09-28 07:42:42 UTC

@Blood Give me half your stuff and go work so i so i don't have to. NOW.

2017-09-28 07:42:43 UTC

@Clonemaster™ 6.41 no, its just not a reality,

2017-09-28 07:42:46 UTC

Because fascism has such an automatic negative association - as it should

2017-09-28 07:42:50 UTC

marxist socialism does not function, because it gives priority toward welfare and dysgenic practices

2017-09-28 07:42:55 UTC

democratic socialism means Vietnam

2017-09-28 07:42:58 UTC

And as should socislism

2017-09-28 07:43:00 UTC

@futurestorms lol thats not how it works

2017-09-28 07:43:03 UTC

and we all know how Vietnam turned out

2017-09-28 07:43:11 UTC

@Blood NOW.

2017-09-28 07:43:16 UTC

what is the right server and why did i get invited to it please ander me fags

2017-09-28 07:43:21 UTC

some socialist practices such as taxes that are not marxist are somewhat useful, and even then only to a degree

2017-09-28 07:43:23 UTC

anser*

2017-09-28 07:43:28 UTC

@Zerek44 Were you a part of Centipede Central?

2017-09-28 07:43:34 UTC

If so, you were invited to this server.

2017-09-28 07:43:35 UTC

@Blood it is reality. Look at history. Don't repeat the same mistakes

2017-09-28 07:43:38 UTC

Because CC got shut down.

2017-09-28 07:43:40 UTC

like one day 8 months ago

2017-09-28 07:43:42 UTC

@Blood **NOW**

2017-09-28 07:43:48 UTC

why

2017-09-28 07:43:48 UTC

@Extra Crispy no small buiss, get taxed in venezuela

2017-09-28 07:43:49 UTC

CC is ded.

2017-09-28 07:43:51 UTC

why

2017-09-28 07:43:57 UTC

Because it just is.

2017-09-28 07:44:04 UTC

Decentralized management leads to in-state conflicts and separatism.
Okay, this chat is being derailed.

2017-09-28 07:44:06 UTC

😂 😂 😂

2017-09-28 07:44:06 UTC

you guys are ghiiah

2017-09-28 07:44:08 UTC

>implying people in Venezuela have the money to start a small business

2017-09-28 07:44:14 UTC

<:tbhfam:356316888109940738>

2017-09-28 07:44:19 UTC

speak english you retarded pseudo intellectual @Blood

2017-09-28 07:44:22 UTC

also, in reality we see the u.s sabotage and really make shure they socialist movements dont work, hence venezuela

2017-09-28 07:44:23 UTC

This is why they've tried to place fascism upon the right of the political spectrum, and why they've tried to say that the Nazis weren't socialist, because if everyone knew the truth, nobody would want socialsim

2017-09-28 07:44:27 UTC

>implying a small business in Venezuela wouldn't go under due to excessive government regulation

2017-09-28 07:44:30 UTC

what do you mean when you say 'no small buiss'

2017-09-28 07:44:56 UTC

you're making retarded claims that you're not even willing to provide the sources for

2017-09-28 07:45:04 UTC

sorry, guys, I'm just unloading in the chat here

2017-09-28 07:45:16 UTC

just becuase marco shat a poem out of his ass doesn't mean the US gov't is funding revolutions in venezuela

2017-09-28 07:45:20 UTC

It doesn't matter whether or not small businesses don't get taxed in Venezuela

2017-09-28 07:45:27 UTC

@Clonemaster™ 6.41 you really think germany had no capitalism? and was socialist?

2017-09-28 07:45:38 UTC

It had capitalism in name only

2017-09-28 07:45:40 UTC

What matters is that people don't have the money due to the socialist economic system to start a small business

2017-09-28 07:46:15 UTC

@Blood Give me your stuff and work so i can go to school for free, or la policia will come to your door at night and take you away.

2017-09-28 07:46:15 UTC

Also, the excessive government regulation means that money you save on not getting taxed still goes to the government(by paying for other fees and the like).

2017-09-28 07:46:18 UTC

the best eras in human history for capitalism were the 17-1900's

2017-09-28 07:47:14 UTC

I still believe that democracy is life and communism is death.

2017-09-28 07:47:24 UTC

FB is prompting me to follow Cuckerberg - what for - 2020 propaganda amirite?

2017-09-28 07:47:27 UTC

@Extra Crispy The 1950's in America were the golden era if capitalism.

2017-09-28 07:47:37 UTC

I agree for the most part

2017-09-28 07:47:38 UTC

@Extra Crispy 1900's? when corporations abusing workers gave birth to socialist movements in the u.s and started gaining traction, and forced FDR to make the "new deal"

2017-09-28 07:47:42 UTC
2017-09-28 07:47:49 UTC

@Blood The means of production was technically privately-owned, but this was only by a superficial level, as the state had every say in how it was run and bore the substantive powers of ownership regardless. This being the introduction of price and wage controls in 1936 as a response to the inflation caused by all the governemnt spending necessary for all its programs and subsidies. And *furthermore*, the government took outright control over what was produced, in what quantity, by what methods, and to whom it was distrubuted. This constitutes the de-facto socialization of the economic system. The government was still excersising the powers of ownership. And the alleged position of a private owner basically became that of a government pensioner.

2017-09-28 07:47:52 UTC

why discuss politics in an echochamber. even when someone who agrees with you 91 percent of the time says something you disagree on you waste a ton of fucking time here instead of doing something usefull like stockpiling for the race war

2017-09-28 07:47:57 UTC

don't you like the 'new deal?' its socialist just like you

2017-09-28 07:48:10 UTC

^^^^^

2017-09-28 07:48:15 UTC

@Blood it's what you call de-facto socialism

2017-09-28 07:48:22 UTC

>implying there will be a race war

2017-09-28 07:48:24 UTC

@futurestorms Yup it is. But unfortuately I have to use it for - work things. <:PepeSpecial:356316713429499905>

2017-09-28 07:48:27 UTC

if it were not for the new deal, you would be workin 12 hours a day under shit conditions, like a slave

2017-09-28 07:48:39 UTC

socialism has gone through a real fucky roller coaster when it comes to definitions throughout history

2017-09-28 07:48:48 UTC

@king I think someone( @Zerek44 ) needs a cucking

2017-09-28 07:48:54 UTC

it used to referr to terms such as taxes and crap, then it expanded to include marxism, etc

2017-09-28 07:48:54 UTC

why

2017-09-28 07:48:56 UTC

@฿ⱤɆӾł₮ɆɆⱤ My lady uses it for her business. It's a free website, basically.

2017-09-28 07:49:02 UTC

<:tbhfam:356316888109940738>

2017-09-28 07:49:05 UTC

im implying that it will most likely be a race genocide probably

2017-09-28 07:49:11 UTC

^this is why

2017-09-28 07:49:20 UTC

The New Deal didn't change working conditions for workers.

2017-09-28 07:49:35 UTC

See, I just explained how the Nazis not being socialist because of 'state-run capitalism' is a myth because the government *still* fucking had control over everything

2017-09-28 07:49:38 UTC

its almost inevitable that there will be a conflict surrounding race in the upcoming 5-15 years

2017-09-28 07:49:41 UTC

it gave protections for workers

2017-09-28 07:49:44 UTC

increased wages

2017-09-28 07:49:54 UTC

if its not started by the economy, it will be started by the gov't starting shitty plans

2017-09-28 07:49:55 UTC

And slowed the rebuilding of the American economy post-Depression.

2017-09-28 07:50:11 UTC

The progressives in the Republican party - who ironically would be more conservative than the current 'progressives' - were the ones who drew those boundaries

2017-09-28 07:50:31 UTC

ight peace guys

2017-09-28 07:50:31 UTC

increasing variables like the minimum wage will not solve any problem, but will instead likely just inflate the currency even more if it's fiat

2017-09-28 07:50:32 UTC

Oh, man. So edgy in here right now, i could shave with it.

2017-09-28 07:50:35 UTC

@Fusion o gee, well i guess the alternative would be people working 12 hours aday and paid 25 cents an hour today

2017-09-28 07:50:52 UTC

sweet

2017-09-28 07:51:00 UTC

have a nice cold beer and keep it up, your changing lives out there!

2017-09-28 07:51:02 UTC

meanwhile the corporations get rich

2017-09-28 07:51:04 UTC

sweet

2017-09-28 07:51:04 UTC

The irony being that 25 cents an hour would be worth about $25 an hour today

2017-09-28 07:51:11 UTC

@Fusion yea i said today

2017-09-28 07:51:13 UTC

lol

2017-09-28 07:51:19 UTC

i mean 25 cents rn

2017-09-28 07:51:31 UTC

It wouldn't be a bad thing because the dollar wouldn't have become massively devalued.

2017-09-28 07:51:34 UTC

fiat currency is only as valuable as the value that people give it. Very very few corporations out of the total corporations are truly enjoying the 'get rich scheme' of the current economy

2017-09-28 07:51:57 UTC

The dollar would in fact have stiill been worth so much more than it is today

2017-09-28 07:52:03 UTC

should a wage increase be mandated, it would only just raise the cost of labor, and as such the resulting product will cost more

2017-09-28 07:52:09 UTC

thats what they would pay you, infact we see what corporatiions do when not watched by gov, look at chine apple factories, they literally put suicide nets so that the workers dont kill themselves coz of shitty working conditions

2017-09-28 07:52:13 UTC
2017-09-28 07:52:27 UTC

the USD as it is worth today is only worth 5 cents of what it was worth in 1905

2017-09-28 07:52:29 UTC

Yeah, that's what they would pay us because the dollar would be worth that

2017-09-28 07:52:33 UTC

It wouldn't have been, b/c inflation is a direct result of economic growth

2017-09-28 07:52:42 UTC

corporations are a government invention lmao

2017-09-28 07:52:48 UTC

thats what they would pay you, infact we see what corporatiions do when not watched by gov, look at chine apple factories, they literally put suicide nets so that the workers dont kill themselves coz of shitty working conditions ,@Extra Crispy thats what it would be here if not for the new deal

2017-09-28 07:52:50 UTC

what makes you think the government would do their job better

2017-09-28 07:52:54 UTC

The currency is devalued tremendously compared to what it used to be.

2017-09-28 07:53:20 UTC

FDR was the one who started the inflation of the currency by forcibly confiscating private gold

2017-09-28 07:53:24 UTC

if not for socialist movements that forced the new deal

2017-09-28 07:53:36 UTC

Hey, your currency didn't competely lose value 3 times in the 20th century.

2017-09-28 07:53:39 UTC

then Richard Nixon made the biggest mistake of all time and took us off the gold standard.

2017-09-28 07:53:51 UTC

@Fusion he did it on purpose

2017-09-28 07:53:55 UTC

True, and our currency isn't so devalued that an American could be a millionaire there(like Zimbabwe)

2017-09-28 07:54:00 UTC

Preach it @Fusion

2017-09-28 07:54:08 UTC

Yeah, he did it on purpose to fuck the value of the dollar up.

2017-09-28 07:54:15 UTC

deflation would be the direct result of economic growth

2017-09-28 07:54:30 UTC

This is getting conspiracey.

2017-09-28 07:54:41 UTC

Even at the absolute worst period of the Great Depression, where the economy was at its worst, the dollar was worth more then than it is now.

2017-09-28 07:54:47 UTC

good to see no one could retort this statement "infact we see what corporatiions do when not watched by gov, look at chine apple factories, they literally put suicide nets so that the workers dont kill themselves coz of shitty working conditions ,@Extra Crispy thats what it would be here if not for the new deal

2017-09-28 07:54:55 UTC

for example, if you based the economy of a whole society off a brick of gold, and printed more and more cash that represented that gold, those bills would only represent an increasingly smaller amount of that gold as it increases in value

2017-09-28 07:55:02 UTC

@Extra Crispy read on it, deflation means stagnation

2017-09-28 07:55:03 UTC

gg nice chat boys

2017-09-28 07:55:14 UTC

The irony being that the Chinese companies are watched by the government, who simply don't care enough to implement safety protocols

2017-09-28 07:55:16 UTC

deflation increases the purchasing power of the currency

2017-09-28 07:55:31 UTC

I mean, when human lives are just assets of the state, when one dies, you just replace him with another one

2017-09-28 07:55:34 UTC

@Fusion they are bought of by corporations

2017-09-28 07:55:40 UTC

a dollar as it is worth today is worth barely a fraction of what it was worth even 100 years ago

2017-09-28 07:55:41 UTC

@Blood well, you didn't retort my explaination about Nazi Germany's de-facto socialism either 😉

2017-09-28 07:56:00 UTC

Correction.

2017-09-28 07:56:03 UTC

Because you can't refute the truth

2017-09-28 07:56:06 UTC

@Clonemaster™ 6.41 it was so socialist it was a right wing dictatorship

2017-09-28 07:56:20 UTC

That doesn't make any sense

2017-09-28 07:56:20 UTC

They are bribed by officials in the communist party who have connections to these businesses and stand to make lots of money from them.

2017-09-28 07:56:20 UTC

>it was so socialist

2017-09-28 07:56:28 UTC

you dont even know what sort of system they even used

2017-09-28 07:56:29 UTC

do you

2017-09-28 07:56:29 UTC

centralized power=right wing, decentralized gov= left wing

2017-09-28 07:56:41 UTC

That's not the definition of right-wing and left-wing politics.

2017-09-28 07:56:42 UTC

the other way around

2017-09-28 07:56:49 UTC

You literally switched the definitions

2017-09-28 07:56:56 UTC

You're thinking of authoritarian and libertarian

2017-09-28 07:57:10 UTC

centralized power=authoritarian, decentralized gov=libertarian.

2017-09-28 07:57:12 UTC

socialism is not inherently marxist

2017-09-28 07:57:20 UTC

however modern socialism as it is today, is

2017-09-28 07:57:25 UTC

you want the gov to be small so that corporations can have unchecked power dont you? @Clonemaster™ 6.41 ]

2017-09-28 07:57:26 UTC

True, as socialism existed well before Marx came up with his ideas

2017-09-28 07:57:26 UTC

Far-right is anarchy, that was the complete opposite of what Nazi Germany was

2017-09-28 07:57:40 UTC

Not necessarily true, @Clonemaster™ 6.41

2017-09-28 07:57:48 UTC

A lot of the anarchists are aligned with the communists

2017-09-28 07:57:56 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/350739775214583812/362870529037828097/image.png

2017-09-28 07:57:56 UTC

"free market" and then they start paying off gov...o wait they already do that

2017-09-28 07:57:57 UTC

@Blood how does that 'un-checked' power affect you personally though?

2017-09-28 07:57:59 UTC

>> less money is requried to acquire existing produce >> produce falls in value >> production amounts fall due to not being profitable anymore

2017-09-28 07:57:59 UTC

Antifa, for example, is an anarchocommunist group

2017-09-28 07:58:02 UTC

heyho, crisis

2017-09-28 07:58:05 UTC

Hey guys

2017-09-28 07:58:06 UTC

modern socialism operates very differently from marxism and marxist practices, such as welfare, food stamp style systems, etc

2017-09-28 07:58:06 UTC

what happened 2 cc

2017-09-28 07:58:07 UTC

How does it oppress you?

2017-09-28 07:58:10 UTC

"free market" and then they start paying off gov...o wait they already do that@Clonemaster™ 6.41

2017-09-28 07:58:13 UTC

Was CC deleted?

2017-09-28 07:58:21 UTC

hence we see corruption

2017-09-28 07:58:22 UTC

seems

2017-09-28 07:58:28 UTC

It was

2017-09-28 07:58:31 UTC

I was there

2017-09-28 07:58:33 UTC

cc was fucked up the butthole by a furry and it was shoah'd

2017-09-28 07:58:35 UTC

Was interesting

2017-09-28 07:58:35 UTC

CC was nuked.

2017-09-28 07:58:39 UTC

True

2017-09-28 07:58:39 UTC

@Blood because it's crony-capitalism

2017-09-28 07:58:41 UTC

why doe

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