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Mussolini himself was a socialist before he developed the concept of fascism
thus fascism naturally borrowed a lot from Marxism, socialism, and communism which had preceded it
were am I?
In a place where you will receive headpats :3
I've been througn socialism. It sucks.
Socialism - any form - also necessiates totalitarianism, so that the individual exists as a means to the ends of the state, always in the name of the common good. Collectivism and big government is prioritized over individualism and limited government
Well, when I've reached maturity it was already falling apart
@Clonemaster™ 6.41 socialism does not have a standard definition, it varies depending on the country/people doing it
usually a response to capitalism failling a people
for instance in venzuela it is called " chavismo"
I don't recall there having been a socialist regime without an authoritarian/totalitarian government
It's what must be done in order for the government's centralized planning to be upheld. It's essential.
for instance in venzuela it is called " chavismo"
Gave most of you serious user and removed @Blood cuck role so if your debate ever gets memed up in main chat you can move to <#356277119862439937> 🙂
And some countries espouse socialsim but aren't willing to do what's necessary to enact it wholly.
So they're not really socialist
At least, the economy isn't
What *is* 'real socialism', in your view?
@// like i said there are no standard definitions, every country that tries it does it differently
but, i would say the core of it should be to remove poverty
and make shure humans can survive and have a foundation to grow from
I can hear you.
All humans? Regardless of their will to contribute their abilities to society?
@// well for instance in venezuela, they were happy to work for the socialist programs, coz before the corporations were treating them like shit due to no regulations, low wages too,
@// but yea i would think that in a country like the u.s people would be to lazy
hence should not be innacted
Venezuela isn't exactly an example of a successful country.
but is an example of people sticking to their game plan and trying to make it work
and having some success
also the main obstacles of venezuela is economic warfare, and sanctions by the u.s
which cripple them
infact just this year trump gave them more sanctions
@// mainly state/government ownership of the means of production, centralized economic planning, and the redistribution of wealth by the state. And state-funded education, universal healthcare and/or welfare, guaranteed emplyoment, and since the state, by these means assumes ultimate responsibility for the well-being of the individual, every aspect of life is penetrated in order for it to happen that way. Since the state is providing you everything you need to live, the people are dependant upon the state for every aspect of their well being and this is all the leverage they need for total control over the people. This is where the totalitarian regime comes in. This is how nearly *every* socialist society has gone about.
I disagree with the concept of marxist socialism in entirety
@Clonemaster™ 6.41 true, socialism is a perfect target for power hungry men
Big government is always involved
>using rare pepes as currency that are actually worth more than the national currencyand eating all of the zoo animals is an example of 'people sticking to their game plan and trying to make it work'
muh prograbunda XD
Are some here really doing the 'but that wasn't true socialism' thing?
that's what happens when you starve
The people or citizens never really own everything as a community. It's always, *always* been the state representatives. This is how it always turns out, it doesn't work for them any other way. Because I don't know how to run a fucking business - that's why private ownership of businesses are important
@Extra Crispy how about the u.s funded right wing oposition burning down mega food distribution centers? does that make them starve?
the electricity might be free, but god forbid you drink the water or try to buy toilet paper from the stores
can you prove that they're "u.s. funded?'
yes, marco rubio was on fox last month trying to get support from the base to give them another 20 million this year, its not a hidden fact@Extra Crispy
........I mean seriously, how the fuck does *a n y o n e* advocate for socialism when it's always turned out this way???
Plan-based economy always ends up producing more or less products than needed, because no government can predict the entire way the country goes
And any of this require assuming that once human gets power, he'll use it to satisfy the values of others and not himself
and human nature doesn't work that way.
Reminder that if I was mod, he would be cucked, albeit still allowed to talk as he hasn't spammed the chat or tried to troll anyone
NUT REEL SOCIALISM!
It doesn't matter how you spin it
whut is this?
Democratic socialsim is still national socialsim and is thus fascism
It means magic socialism with sprinkles on top rather than no sprinkles at all
But since so many people don't really know what the hell they're talking about they'd freak out if I said that
well im a white nationalist. sorry
@Blood Give me half your stuff and go work so i so i don't have to. NOW.
Because fascism has such an automatic negative association - as it should
marxist socialism does not function, because it gives priority toward welfare and dysgenic practices
democratic socialism means Vietnam
And as should socislism
and we all know how Vietnam turned out
what is the right server and why did i get invited to it please ander me fags
some socialist practices such as taxes that are not marxist are somewhat useful, and even then only to a degree
If so, you were invited to this server.
@Blood it is reality. Look at history. Don't repeat the same mistakes
Because CC got shut down.
like one day 8 months ago
CC is ded.
Because it just is.
Decentralized management leads to in-state conflicts and separatism.
Okay, this chat is being derailed.
😂 😂 😂
you guys are ghiiah
>implying people in Venezuela have the money to start a small business
also, in reality we see the u.s sabotage and really make shure they socialist movements dont work, hence venezuela
This is why they've tried to place fascism upon the right of the political spectrum, and why they've tried to say that the Nazis weren't socialist, because if everyone knew the truth, nobody would want socialsim
>implying a small business in Venezuela wouldn't go under due to excessive government regulation
what do you mean when you say 'no small buiss'
you're making retarded claims that you're not even willing to provide the sources for
sorry, guys, I'm just unloading in the chat here
just becuase marco shat a poem out of his ass doesn't mean the US gov't is funding revolutions in venezuela
It doesn't matter whether or not small businesses don't get taxed in Venezuela
@Clonemaster™ 6.41 you really think germany had no capitalism? and was socialist?
It had capitalism in name only
What matters is that people don't have the money due to the socialist economic system to start a small business
@Blood Give me your stuff and work so i can go to school for free, or la policia will come to your door at night and take you away.
Also, the excessive government regulation means that money you save on not getting taxed still goes to the government(by paying for other fees and the like).
the best eras in human history for capitalism were the 17-1900's
I still believe that democracy is life and communism is death.
FB is prompting me to follow Cuckerberg - what for - 2020 propaganda amirite?
@Extra Crispy The 1950's in America were the golden era if capitalism.
I agree for the most part
@Extra Crispy 1900's? when corporations abusing workers gave birth to socialist movements in the u.s and started gaining traction, and forced FDR to make the "new deal"
@Blood The means of production was technically privately-owned, but this was only by a superficial level, as the state had every say in how it was run and bore the substantive powers of ownership regardless. This being the introduction of price and wage controls in 1936 as a response to the inflation caused by all the governemnt spending necessary for all its programs and subsidies. And *furthermore*, the government took outright control over what was produced, in what quantity, by what methods, and to whom it was distrubuted. This constitutes the de-facto socialization of the economic system. The government was still excersising the powers of ownership. And the alleged position of a private owner basically became that of a government pensioner.
why discuss politics in an echochamber. even when someone who agrees with you 91 percent of the time says something you disagree on you waste a ton of fucking time here instead of doing something usefull like stockpiling for the race war
don't you like the 'new deal?' its socialist just like you
>implying there will be a race war
@futurestorms Yup it is. But unfortuately I have to use it for - work things. <:PepeSpecial:356316713429499905>
if it were not for the new deal, you would be workin 12 hours a day under shit conditions, like a slave
socialism has gone through a real fucky roller coaster when it comes to definitions throughout history
it used to referr to terms such as taxes and crap, then it expanded to include marxism, etc
@฿ⱤɆӾł₮ɆɆⱤ My lady uses it for her business. It's a free website, basically.
im implying that it will most likely be a race genocide probably
^this is why
The New Deal didn't change working conditions for workers.
See, I just explained how the Nazis not being socialist because of 'state-run capitalism' is a myth because the government *still* fucking had control over everything
its almost inevitable that there will be a conflict surrounding race in the upcoming 5-15 years
it gave protections for workers
if its not started by the economy, it will be started by the gov't starting shitty plans
And slowed the rebuilding of the American economy post-Depression.
The progressives in the Republican party - who ironically would be more conservative than the current 'progressives' - were the ones who drew those boundaries
ight peace guys
increasing variables like the minimum wage will not solve any problem, but will instead likely just inflate the currency even more if it's fiat
Oh, man. So edgy in here right now, i could shave with it.
@Fusion o gee, well i guess the alternative would be people working 12 hours aday and paid 25 cents an hour today
have a nice cold beer and keep it up, your changing lives out there!
meanwhile the corporations get rich
The irony being that 25 cents an hour would be worth about $25 an hour today
i mean 25 cents rn
It wouldn't be a bad thing because the dollar wouldn't have become massively devalued.
fiat currency is only as valuable as the value that people give it. Very very few corporations out of the total corporations are truly enjoying the 'get rich scheme' of the current economy
The dollar would in fact have stiill been worth so much more than it is today
should a wage increase be mandated, it would only just raise the cost of labor, and as such the resulting product will cost more
thats what they would pay you, infact we see what corporatiions do when not watched by gov, look at chine apple factories, they literally put suicide nets so that the workers dont kill themselves coz of shitty working conditions
the USD as it is worth today is only worth 5 cents of what it was worth in 1905
Yeah, that's what they would pay us because the dollar would be worth that
It wouldn't have been, b/c inflation is a direct result of economic growth
corporations are a government invention lmao
thats what they would pay you, infact we see what corporatiions do when not watched by gov, look at chine apple factories, they literally put suicide nets so that the workers dont kill themselves coz of shitty working conditions ,@Extra Crispy thats what it would be here if not for the new deal
what makes you think the government would do their job better
The currency is devalued tremendously compared to what it used to be.
FDR was the one who started the inflation of the currency by forcibly confiscating private gold
if not for socialist movements that forced the new deal
Hey, your currency didn't competely lose value 3 times in the 20th century.
then Richard Nixon made the biggest mistake of all time and took us off the gold standard.
True, and our currency isn't so devalued that an American could be a millionaire there(like Zimbabwe)
Yeah, he did it on purpose to fuck the value of the dollar up.
deflation would be the direct result of economic growth
This is getting conspiracey.
Even at the absolute worst period of the Great Depression, where the economy was at its worst, the dollar was worth more then than it is now.
good to see no one could retort this statement "infact we see what corporatiions do when not watched by gov, look at chine apple factories, they literally put suicide nets so that the workers dont kill themselves coz of shitty working conditions ,@Extra Crispy thats what it would be here if not for the new deal
for example, if you based the economy of a whole society off a brick of gold, and printed more and more cash that represented that gold, those bills would only represent an increasingly smaller amount of that gold as it increases in value
gg nice chat boys
The irony being that the Chinese companies are watched by the government, who simply don't care enough to implement safety protocols
deflation increases the purchasing power of the currency
I mean, when human lives are just assets of the state, when one dies, you just replace him with another one
a dollar as it is worth today is worth barely a fraction of what it was worth even 100 years ago
@Blood well, you didn't retort my explaination about Nazi Germany's de-facto socialism either 😉
Because you can't refute the truth
@Clonemaster™ 6.41 it was so socialist it was a right wing dictatorship
That doesn't make any sense
They are bribed by officials in the communist party who have connections to these businesses and stand to make lots of money from them.
>it was so socialist
you dont even know what sort of system they even used
centralized power=right wing, decentralized gov= left wing
That's not the definition of right-wing and left-wing politics.
the other way around
You literally switched the definitions
You're thinking of authoritarian and libertarian
centralized power=authoritarian, decentralized gov=libertarian.
socialism is not inherently marxist
however modern socialism as it is today, is
you want the gov to be small so that corporations can have unchecked power dont you? @Clonemaster™ 6.41 ]
True, as socialism existed well before Marx came up with his ideas
Far-right is anarchy, that was the complete opposite of what Nazi Germany was
A lot of the anarchists are aligned with the communists
"free market" and then they start paying off gov...o wait they already do that
@Blood how does that 'un-checked' power affect you personally though?
>> less money is requried to acquire existing produce >> produce falls in value >> production amounts fall due to not being profitable anymore
Antifa, for example, is an anarchocommunist group
modern socialism operates very differently from marxism and marxist practices, such as welfare, food stamp style systems, etc
what happened 2 cc
How does it oppress you?
"free market" and then they start paying off gov...o wait they already do that@Clonemaster™ 6.41
Was CC deleted?
hence we see corruption
I was there
cc was fucked up the butthole by a furry and it was shoah'd
CC was nuked.