@// tell us your story please.

@// where from?

Russia.

Socialism - any form - also necessiates totalitarianism, so that the individual exists as a means to the ends of the state, always in the name of the common good. Collectivism and big government is prioritized over individualism and limited government

ah, youve been through a dictatorship@//

Well, when I've reached maturity it was already falling apart

Hi

Thanks Gorbachev

@Clonemaster™ 6.41 socialism does not have a standard definition, it varies depending on the country/people doing it

usually a response to capitalism failling a people

for instance in venzuela it is called " chavismo"

I don't recall there having been a socialist regime without an authoritarian/totalitarian government

It's what must be done in order for the government's centralized planning to be upheld. It's essential.

for instance in venzuela it is called " chavismo"

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And some countries espouse socialsim but aren't willing to do what's necessary to enact it wholly.

So they're not really socialist

At least, the economy isn't

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@Clonemaster™ 6.41 true

What *is* 'real socialism', in your view?

@// like i said there are no standard definitions, every country that tries it does it differently

but, i would say the core of it should be to remove poverty

and make shure humans can survive and have a foundation to grow from

@//

I can hear you.

All humans? Regardless of their will to contribute their abilities to society?

@// well for instance in venezuela, they were happy to work for the socialist programs, coz before the corporations were treating them like shit due to no regulations, low wages too,

@// but yea i would think that in a country like the u.s people would be to lazy

hence should not be innacted

Venezuela isn't exactly an example of a successful country.

i agree

but is an example of people sticking to their game plan and trying to make it work

and having some success

also the main obstacles of venezuela is economic warfare, and sanctions by the u.s

which cripple them

infact just this year trump gave them more sanctions

@// mainly state/government ownership of the means of production, centralized economic planning, and the redistribution of wealth by the state. And state-funded education, universal healthcare and/or welfare, guaranteed emplyoment, and since the state, by these means assumes ultimate responsibility for the well-being of the individual, every aspect of life is penetrated in order for it to happen that way. Since the state is providing you everything you need to live, the people are dependant upon the state for every aspect of their well being and this is all the leverage they need for total control over the people. This is where the totalitarian regime comes in. This is how nearly *every* socialist society has gone about.

I disagree with the concept of marxist socialism in entirety

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