And the conditions weren't present back then for anything of the sort to happen

We still have to have a good safety net for them

Job automation is another consideration for UBI

@Dr.Cosby Also, 10% VAT isn't that much. Remember, Europe pays 20% VAT

10% is nothing

Also, welfare has the problem that is causes people on welfare to fear finding a job (since they're scared that they'll be worse off by finding a job as that welfare will be taken)

Right but UBI woudn't cut off because you got a job

That would just create a resentment among the working class and ultimately fail

Why a resentment among the working class?

Because if you're working and not even better off than somebody who isn't working, that would build resentment

GG @Soup Can Sam, you just advanced to level 5!

but if you're working hard, *you will be better off than them*

also welfare is typically *less remuneration than even a minimum wage job*

and that is *by design*

to ensure incentives are aligned properly

OK say you're getting 1000 a month from UBI but if you started a part time minimum wage job, and I'm talking a state with high minimum wage like maryland at 10.10 and lets be generous and say you get around 30 hours a week. You're working and only making about 212 dollars more a month than the person sitting on their ass doing nothing.

Now if you apply that to the federal minimum wage you'd need to work at minimum wage almost full time in order to break a thousand a month

To make the same amount of money as somebody literally doing nothing

So you would continue giving out UBI to the person with the job to prevent that from happening

i live in a country where the minimum wage is around $22/hr lmao

and welfare is anywhere between $4-8/hr

UBI wouldnt get us to $22/hr

so in our case, the incentives are aligned properly

but also

i thought you meant *welfare* payments

not UBI

australia does not have a population of 330 million

millions of illegals who take jobs for way less than the minimum wage are NOT going to australia

well actually

we had a boat problem

people migrate to indonesia

then come on boats to australia

so yea we had a lot of immigrants who took low wage jobs

idk about taking less than the min wage tho

you dont have 1 million coming per year in caravans ready to storm your border

dude its proportional

you have 330 mill

so 1 mill is nothing

we have 25 mill

neat

GG @rorschach, you just advanced to level 12!

so the equivalent is like 75k people

which is what we were getting at one point

whats this all about?

the conservatives reduced it in recent years

it's not proportional because a lot of those 1 million go to california, texas, and florida, putting strain on those states

GG @Pathaw, you just advanced to level 5!

you think that doesnt happen in australia?

they all go to the cities

and we dont have many cities

you dont have 1 million though

it was proportionally 1 million at one point

so yes

we did

could you provide a source?

pauline hanson or fraser anning should step in and kick them out if they are invading your cities

fraser anning is gone lol

oh wow

190k per year at peak

so we got proportionally more immigrants than america did

thank you

oh

i personally experienced the terrible effects of multiculturalism when i stepped foot into canada

i was actually happy with it

australian culture was so toxic

whats wrong with it?

i love asians but i dont want desert folks here

and we didnt have enough variety in restaurants

now we can eat cuisines from literally anywhere

lol talk about washing your hands with sand

thats impossible

but ok

i was joking lol '

neat

australian culture is many things:
tall poppy syndrome
ignorant
abusive
insecure

you have to remember we came from convicts lmao

and when you import iraq dont expect it to get any better

the asians coming in pacified these elements

the asians are great

yeah

it actually blows my mind that the perception of australia is "laid back, easy going"

its such a mischaracterisation

and i have no idea where it comes from

sterotypes

happens to just about every country

theres lot of dumbness and plenty of stress in our culture

and people resort to heavy drinking as a cure

oh well

australia should just shrivel up and die if it has those problems

or elect pauline and fix them L

pauline denies climate change man

how do you even know who she is

climate change - caused by suvs and oil - is not real

you arent aussie right

thats correct

but i like her

how do you know about her

shes pretty fringe

i mean shes hilarious, her uluru stunt was amazing