what about it?

trump do to much than have to talk about impeachment

like why he talking about impeachment

why impeachment in his head

he does to much

Because half of the democrats in congress have been talking about impeachment

if someone else was president they would be a better president than trump cause he ain't do a damn thing america but border and security and something else

Yeah I can tell if your slow or what lol

Truthfully, I think I would like trump much more if he logged off of twitter. Other than that he's ok I guess. Fulfilled some promises, backed down on others.

But he is no Reagan or FDR in terms of charisma

That guy obviously has some sort of tism, but he isn't wrong.
Trump tends to continue on topics, old topics.
John McCain for example. Still shitting on him post-mortem. He tends to utilize saying the same thing over and over to his advantage. Broken Record Tactics. No Collusion No Delusion No Exclusion! kind of shit.

2 things that piss me off about Trump is initially his time spent on vacations. He's spent in less than 4 years what Obama has spent in 8. Tax Money on vacations.
Additionally his public schedule every day is the first half of the day being "executive time" which is supposedly just him watching TV and fox news.

The democrats would have faired much better in 2016 and 2020 if they focused less on "DRUMP IS NAZI TAKING OVER PUTTING CHILDREN IN CONCENTRATION CAMPS" and more on debating his policy. You're proving my point by complaining about his vacation time and day schedule, no right leaning individual is going to say "Fuck, he has more vacation time? Bernie2020!"

Also, Trump doesn't exactly take a salary, and he pays for everything he eats out of pocket, so I'm not sure how he is spending tax money on his vacations

Well, he's a billionaire. So...

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and?

Also yes, tax money is spent on vacations. Paying secret service, money is paid to Mar-A-Lago from the goverment, etc.

Flying to the golf courses

Costs money

So you believe that you will win the 2020 elections by pointing out that secret service must be payed to protect the president while he plays golf? Come on now...

Negative. The point is to show you how much the man cares about his job. He spends way more time fucking around instead of working on politics.

He openly lies about so many things, constantly, compulsively.
His character is garbage and its upsetting to have someone like this representing our country.

Can you explain to me how Trump can be both a power hungry idiot white supremacist nazi, and also a fuckoff who doesn't care about his job or politics?

These two views do not mesh together.

And you can disagree with Trump's personality, he does have an ego and can talk too much, but does that make him some sort of terrible human? Not really. Is he the most effective president we've seen? No. But, and this is a big but, if the dems are going to be parading around Biden or Bernie then they don't stand a chance.

Okay so, a 'power hungry idiot white supremacist nazi' is not a term. He is power hungry, we can see that he gets upset when even his own aids make any statement against his will. He is an idiot, openly not understanding separate policies and combatting his staff on the definitions of political terms such as the referendum of understanding. He isn't a white supremacist or a nazi. But David Duke and many white supremacists tout his name as a war cry. And when asked about David Duke supporting him and his campaign, "ahh idk who that is" pretending like he doesn't know who David Duke is. It is for this reason that the white nationalists have gravitated towards him because while most politicians will immediately denounce that support he simply denied knowing about it.

Now the Democrats had a blue wave and won the house based on a heavy focus on local policies. If certain candidates push that same rhetoric that would indicate for a stronger campaign than simply, a "vote for me cuz I'm not Trump" campaign. You're correct.

Ok. but you've just also said he "spends more time fucking around then doing his job or working on politics". Please explain how somebody can be both power hungry, and yet not apparently take politics seriously

Trump has denounced white supremacists more times then I care to remember, over and over, so an incredibly small handful of people saying they support Trump doesn't make a difference.

Easily. Someone can fuck around and sit on the couch half the day and then the next half spent pushing different policies and getting absolutely heated when it doesn't go his way.

If he's spending half his day sitting on a couch doing nothing, he apparently does not care about politics or power, and if he gets heated and is pushing policies, then he can't really be spending much time on his couch...

These are not two views you can have that co-exist in any logical sense

A good analogy would be calling somebody both incredibly lazy and hard working. A person cannot really be both

Overall, I think that unless an incredibly popular alternative is presented, Trump absolutely has 2020 in the bag. As of right now, every announced dem candidate *is* just riding on fantasy or "i'm not drumpf"

He denounces white supremacy but openly stated that there were "very fine people" on both sides of the Charltsville protests.

Also thats not true. Being power hungry is not being a hard worker lmfao

Its just the greed of power.

You can be humble and still be greedy.

They aren't exclusive.

That is a strawman argument.

Ah, now this is a comment misleading statement I hear. The "very fine people" quote. I'll break it down for you, one sec

Right, again. He's not being openly a supremacist or racist. But he should be absolutely always shitting on those people. But instead he simply avoids talking about it all.

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**Excuse me, excuse me. They didn’t put themselves -- and you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. You had people in that group. Excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name** This is the follow up to the "very fine people" misquote. See, the context you represent it, you imply Trump is somehow saying white supremacists are very fine people. However, numerous times after this, he explicitly stated that he was referring to the non neo nazis protesting the statue's removals for a variety of reasons, and outright condemned the white supremacists / neo nazis

See, this is the kind of tactic i'm talking about. This sort of half truth to promote outrage, however when you spend more than 2 minutes looking into it, you can see there is an entire story behind it. This is why the term "fake news" is so popular.

You are correct. My apologies. Lets throw out the fine people point. But we still have the David Duke denial, bad hombre quotes, "my african american" at the rally. And many many other subtle activies that just put a bad taste in your mouth. He might denounce racism, but how come the racists are all supporting him? It doesn't add up.

If you don't mine the whataboutism, unsavory groups always rally to the candidate vaguely on their side of the aisle. You had antifa members in 2016 and 2017 bashing people's heads in who supported Bernie Sanders, however I doubt Bernie supported it. As for his other quotes, so what? Trump is, what, in his mid 70s? He isn't exactly a politically correct person, which is another reason he resonated with so many average americans. A lot of people were and are tired of being told they should be ashamed for being white, should feel guilty for what their ancestors did, and should take a back seat to other groups.

A. They should feel guilty about slavery so it never happens again.
B. Being PC has nothing to do with white-shaming people.
C. Worrying about whites becoming a minority is inherently racist.

A) I feel no guilt about slavery, because I never enslaved anybody. Nobody I know ever owned a slave, why should I feel any sort of guilt for it? Do I think it's shitty that it happened? Of course I do, however if we should feel guilt by the actions of our ancestors then where are the African Americans apologizing for their ancestor's tribes selling other tribes into slavery? Where are those of middle eastern decent apologizing for the magnitude larger barbary slave trade / other thousands of years of middle eastern led slavery?

Anti is anti-facism.
Supremacy is racism.

Antifa being violent is not good, but they're pushing a political idea.
White Supremacy, violent or non-violent is toxic, shouldn't be supported by anybody. If Trump vaugely sides with white supremacists.. thats not a good thing.

B) PC culture is inherently entangled with SJW culture, the idea that justice should be societal instead of based on the individual. White guilt is an inherently social justice concept, that being all whites should feel guilty for the actions of their ancestors.

Are you trying to tell me white nationalism is not a political idea because it involves race?

I'm telling you that its toxic and transcends any politics.

Lol, not even. Whether you're attacking somebody for their skin color or political leaning, violence in the modern political discourse is never ok. Putting white supremacy on some sort of pedestal that discounts the actions of groups like Antifa is just apologists 101

Also, how is worrying about your people becoming a minority in your homeland racist? What?

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It doesn't matter whether or not white nationalism is or isn't political.
It should be repulsive to every single person in here.
Nobody should support white nationalism or white supremacy.
Its entirely disgusting. Thats not pushing for the recusal of what Antifa did. They fucked up. What i'm saying is that what Antifa did does not match up with what White Supremacists did and are still doign.

Please tell me your plans to diversify Africa and Asia?

Your homeland? This isn't a white persons homeland. We took this land from native americans and europeans because we figured it was manifest destiny. There is not such thing as USA being a white homeland.

Ok, and what I'm saying is you putting white supremacy or the actions of whites while dismissing the actions of groups motivated by other political reasoning or other racial reasoning is called being an apologist

Is Europe a white homeland?

I mean, the native americans were here for quite a long time, and I never really remember reading about them getting much done

It doesn't matter, they were here first. The hell lol

There were Native American tribes with European DNA though

So technically

Not to mention they didn't have a concept of land ownership or borders, instead roaming large areas of land where they would only be present for short periods of time

So its okay to imperialize land because the ppl in that land aren't "getting much done"?

If they are not even physically present in the land then how would you even know?

If they are living on that land, they are physically present in that land. Just because they didn't have a concept of the land they were on doesn't mean they aren't "legally there" or something?

Native Americans lived a mostly nomadic lifestyle, settlers didn't typically go around burning down tent cities and putting a log cabin on top. A series of escalations on both sides eventually let to a feedback loop of violence in the new world

One side would do something, the other would seek retribution, and vice versa. The natives got the short end of the stick and here we are

@Deleted User Is Europe a white homeland?

I don't know. I'm not an expert on the origins on europe.

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I obviously think that what happened is absolutely terrible, but there is a lot more to hundreds of years of on and off indian wars with countless tribes than "Evil whitey killed all dem natives"

I'm not suggesting that at all. Don't put words in my mouth.

I'm well aware the native americans were extremely violent to the english immigrants.

But you entirely are, by implying that the north american continent is somehow not a homeland for generations of white settlers

For example, I can trace my family here all the way back to the early 1800s, where they immigrated from german and poland. However I don't consider either of those places my homeland

It doesn't matter how long white people have been here if the natives were here first. White people are immigrants to this part of America.

So nothing at all matters besides who physically stepped foot there first?

@Deleted User There have been Indo-European people from Siberia on the Northern European continent for 23,000 years and another group migrated 12,000 years ago. European people’s have a blood a soil connection to Northern America, just like the Native Americans who arrived on the continent in a similar fashion.

Furthering what Wrath send, most of these Siberian native indo-europeans were killed out when the second group migrated

If the native americans were here first, and it was their land by reason of living there and occupying the country...
Then white people showing up later makes us immigrants.
We have no reason to "take america back" from growing minority populations when it wasn't ours to begin with.

I never said we needed to "take back America," all I said was that I don't believe it's racist to believe those who founded and built a country should not be a minority in their country

And once again, if all that matters is who stepped foot here first, then I guess we owe the Siberians our continent

They founded a country on land that wasn't theirs. They infiltrated and imperialized america through war.

Would you like to respond to the fact that native americans were not the first people in north america or are we just going to brush past that fact?

Yeah we probably do then lmfao. If they were here first.
Obviously thats unrealistic but its asinine to say that America is a white country when we showed up from Europe originally.

European DNA, like the DNA of Native Americans (Asian DNA), immigrated to the continent. So it wasn’t “theirs” either.

The land belongs to who wants to dominate it.

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bingo

I would, frankly, call you stupid if you believe we should return our country to the Siberians because a handful arrived here 23,000 years ago.

The land belongs to who wants to dominate it.

Maybe someone will come dominate your home and now thats just how it is.

Its their home now.

And since The state of America was built by European pioneers it should therefore belong to Europeans as well as the native Americans.