Plus I still live with my parents until the 17th next month

you have a room
send noods

no

pls

no

damn

Das homo mang

There is a picture I have of me in a crap dress

does it have ur nood but in it?

I was a fucked up kid

no

Tbh, I'm a fucked up adult

👀

how old are you?

18

cute age

noots

I start university soon

🤔

stop it with te Anime and start hitting the gym

@Valtiel will u send noods?

no one like weaboos

No lol

I was thinking of joining the URNU

damn

@Deleted User what's that

University Royal Navy Unit

Oh you're from the UK, kool

yeah

What part?

Norfolk

I'm heading off to Lincoln though

Ah

**BANE?!?**

I'm doing Chemistry with a foundation year cause I'm shit

Foundation year?

Sorry I'm from the states

An extra year at the begining where you learn basic shit

For special kids like me

Ah. Youre fine. I had to take an extra non credit math class my first year of uni

Well, if's still hardee than a PhD in gender studies

What did you study?

Biology

not bad

My mum did that

But I didn't want to go back to grad school so now I work at a lab not making much.

she failed first time but tried it again with the OU

Oh cool. Yeah, perseverance pays off. Good for your mom.

Here it goes fail, pass, 3rd, 2:2, 2:1, 1st. She got a 3rd

considering she did it part time while working and caring for me and my sister

Ah and yeah that must have been tough

https://8ch.net/pol/res/10482046.html

You meet the most attractive woman in school. Her hair is long and blonde, her face is beautiful, even without makeup. She's kind, nice, helpful, but she pays attention to you. She's never demanding, never rude, and cares about you the most. She means everything she says and never lies. One day, you two go on
The roof. She admits for you, you accept and kiss. She then grabs you and says "I'm not like other girls." And takes down her skirt. She smiles as a long, long thing appears. "Now... Make love to me." From here, your destiny is unknown.

Don't remind me about my ex

Edgy

https://8ch.net/leftypol/res/1989361.html

https://8ch.net/leftypol/res/2016370.html

How come Venezuela didn't turned into Scandinavian country, they literally had oil and same political system as them

Someone redpill me eeeaaa

@National Trotskyist I'd do her

they're nothing like scandinavia

Scandinavia is dominated by social-democracy, Venezuela was social-democracy at the barrel of a gun

The reason why some countries do well and others don't https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Index_of_Economic_Freedom

Venezuela has no reason to be as shit as they are now

Well they have one: socialism

And no scandinavia is not socialism, only a dumbass like bernie thinks that

http://www.investors.com/politics/commentary/denmark-tells-bernie-sanders-to-stop-calling-it-socialist/

Venezuela has exact same economic system as Scandinavia, the social-democracy

And they had oil too

Chavez and Maduro managed to fuck up so much lul

Yeah Bernie loves the nordic model

Lets make US&A another Venezuela

They're literally not

The freedom index calculated their policies

decided it was vastly less free

*The creators of the index took an approach similar to Adam Smith's in The Wealth of Nations,* Should be called the exploitation index.

>free market nations have the biggest free market
No surprises here.

Ah yes those exploited people in switzerland

Those poor New Zeeland slaves

They're also the best

Wealth is accumulated. It is a zero sum game. It has to come from somewhere. It's cute.

And everyone profits when a country is rich

>everyone profits

The rest is equally poor, but not exploited right

god thank for that

You one of these people that think rich people hoard money?

You have to extract wealth from somewhere. In a free market there are winners and losers. This is really basic. It is zero sum. If not intranational, than imperialistically.

Really basic yet never the case in real life

When you have rich people they invest

drive them away and you get poverty

What's your preferred system?

other than muh smash everything

Do you know how markets work?

yes

answer the question

what's a better system than a free market

When you buy and sell investment, someone gets a profit and someone gets a loss.

no shit

What's a better way to do it?

The free market is just a way to redistributed wealth into the hands of the few.

Zero sum.

It is also global.

Stop dodging the question

A 'better' system depends on what you consider 'better'. What metric?

Wealth

Wealth is about progress and productivity. Free market is not a perfect distribution for this process. A powerful AI could manage the economy better, theoretically.

a powerful AI huh

how do you figure

seems really dumb at first glance

Would it have come up with the iphone?

Individuals are not gods, not even rational agents. A brutally objective and rational AI would manage any economic goal way more efficency than a free market of monkeys.

Need some proof for that

Sounds illogical

Take the M3Wpill. The rich 1st world exploits the poorer 2nd world and 3rd world. Watch Jason Unruhe.

Incentive and progress can be measured objectively, according to your goals. It is just another metric on a huge spreadsheet.

Not really

Programs and ai can be very complex, so in theory an ai can work better than human free market

because sometimes people produce things people didn't know they wanted

Of course. Randomness can also be measured and allocated to accordingly.

How

Also this is a future solution for a current system

Give me a better system currently for creating more wealth

is more wealth whats important?

Well, an AI, specifically machine learning, continually experiments and tries new and unexpected things to find solutions.

It's how we're measuring it

How does it know when it has a solution?

Show it to people?

He could come up with billion solutions

The wealth metric over time.

and people would have to wait on stand by to produce it?

sounds really far fetched

I'm sure it does.

That;s nonsense, you can't predict a products success

Otherwise people would already be doing it

If you're talking about the future I don't care

Do you know that the vast majority of market trades are already done by AI?

Market trades yes

Producing goods no

Manufacturing, too. AI is used to optimise processes, in the design and assembly. We are already merging into a new future. And with increased automation, the free market will be harder and harder to justify because it will be superfluous.

We will end with so much unused garbage

And who will decide what the machines will produce?

Also an AI?

Soon there will be a tipping point where the free market is actually a hindrance to overall progress, and that's when you get social change.

Because then you're talking about the future

Free market a hindrance, what a joke

Nordic countries still have the ability to extract wealth from developing nations through their corporations and have more favorable trade relations with the rest of the developed world than Venezuela does.

Nordic countries also don't have the same history of being a victim of imperialism that Latin American countries have. It's hard to build a social democracy when you're starting with less than nothing.

Welp reply from leftpol

Of course. Monkeys are not as smart as machines.

More creative still

Haha.

And a man can fail many times, a centralized AI that fails is a catastrophe

Are you arguing for one centralized AI?

p2p

Also you said soon, which implies this is not currently doable

You are the master of assumptions. AI has built in redundencies as apart of the overall objective progress of your 'wealth' metric. A catastrophe is a pretty big problem to achieving this.

Which is not relevant to my first question

A better economic system for making wealth, give me one

An AI would be way more resilient than stupid monkeys.

future talk, not the question I asked for

I don't know. I am not an economist.

Asking for an alternative implies future.

Obviously what we have now is not the best possible scenario, so I hope you are not going to suggest that.

Then why did you laugh when I implied a free market creates more wealth for those people

is someone interested in raiding discord servers?

I laughed when you said monkeys were more creative than AI.

So you agree a free market makes the people in that system more wealthy?

Than any other current alternative

'Any other current alternative'. Nice little trick there.

If it's not current or an alternative it's useless for now

No trick at all

Current alternative is an oxymoron. There is only one dominant global system, it is impossible to compare it with anything else on equal footing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Status_quo_bias

Wat a copout

Come up with any system you'd like

I already did map it out for you.

in the future

Make it current

Well, any alternative must happen in the future fam.

lmao this guy

you don't have to try this hard to say no

What we have now is what we have.

Just agree the free market makes people more wealthy than other systems

That's false though.

how

It's just the status quo.

nice cop out

If we were in a socialist world I'd be able to argue for a free market

ez

Because it makes sense

how does it make sense?

are you gonna say its natural?

Do you have some advance simulation of alternative universe to study in order to make this conclusion about it being 'better than any other possible alternative'?

Giving people more freedom to build what they see fit and selling it which weeds out the less good ones is simply helping everyone

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLTbw9EHc-0

https://www.rt.com/usa/400925-new-venezuela-sanctions-financial-oil-maduro-trump/

Well you don't like to think through after smashing the state so I'm just going to chalk it up to you not having thought about the question at all

Just flat out never tried

Here we go. Moving the goal posts like a champ.

No goalpost moved

many questions dodged however

You speculated about some future AI

Yet speculating about a better system for now is too much

I entertained your wealth metric quite well. Your question is speculative.

You refuse to do that

A better system for 'right now'? That's a practical question, firstly.

answer it or not

I'm going to bed in 30

Well, I showed you current trends in markets, design and manufacture, the trend towards AI and automation, and suggested that if this continues free market run by humans will be superfluous, and as an alternative, and conscious effort to centralise the economic in AI would be objectively better than a free market run by monkeys. That's it.

Take it or leave it. I am happy with that response. Thanks for the chat.

The old future communism meme

Absolutely unable to answer a question directly

what a joke

Somehow me saying that the current system creates the most wealth is not true

he doesn't want to answer the question because he knows it's true

yet not capable of proving it

He has no answers economically or politically (anarchist who proudly doesn't know what comes after the state falls)

The point is that the current system provides too much wealth for a small population

@Trve Metalist that is irrelevant to the question tho

I consider at least 80% of the people in the west as very wealthy

compared to the third world yes

No you're not a millionaire, but you live like one 30 years ago

Not good enough?

however our current system exploits the labour of an inmense amount of people

its always been like this

before its been the europeans

They line up to work for them in India and Africa

now its the third world

>end immigration
>wages go up as competition for workers increases
>don't even need to resort to some form of communism

India is developing fast

India is a good example of a country that was forced to adopt another system

you should visit india

to see the "development" for yourself

Right, it's messy

Still better than Zimbabwe

and btw the best ranking state in india has had a communist government for the last 14 years or so

Could be doing much better I agree

Much potential

@Timo))) You what?

@SpringySprong no

@Deleted User So wait, you post national socialism while defending capitalism?

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism#Anti-capitalism>

I think only Rockwell was uninformed enough on it to do such a thing.

planned economy is more effecient than free market

I know, theoretically, about what I would do on Day 1 after a revolution, if I cared about making something of it. There's Marxist-Leninism and Authoritarian Socialism for that, but in truth I don't care. It is more exciting for me not to.

@National Trotskyist Idm National Socialism or Capitalism, I would rather either over Communism or Socialism

War...war never changes

https://crimethinc.com/2000/09/11/your-politics-are-boring-as-fuck

https://www.rt.com/news/400928-syria-terrorist-force-nusra-isis/

*Russia claims that Tahrir al-Sham shares al-Nusra Front's goal of turning Syria into an Islamic emirate run by al-Qaeda.*

https://stocknewsusa.com/2017/02/22/organization-levants-freedom/