explain national bolshevism

I would bet money you can't

Originally theorized by Ernst Niekisch, He saw the class struggle and national struggle as being one in the same

@Deleted User It is not a well defined ideology. It lacks theory.

He was the forefather to many national liberation movements ideologically

it lacks substance and base beliefs

@Firefly#9983 Read the Niekisch translation project

He spent time in prison under the Nazis until freed by the soviets and helped lay the ground work for a lot of the DDR

It is in a state like communists been before Marx. They have concept and coordinates, they have no idea what they are doing in the same time.

He was opposed to the fact that the Nazis were emulating the Italians instead of embracing their own Prussian spirit

national bolshevism isn't possible to describe accurately, because every national bolshevist believes in different things, they don't have any doctrine which they have to agree on, other than "lol we nationalist, but we also hate capitalists lmao"

He saw a lot of militarism in the USSR that he thought was very compatible with Prussian militarism

@Deleted User Except I'm literally explaining some of the theory to you

@Revolutionary Nationalist I know, I've been there before.

I was a Strasserite before, I had read Germany tomorrow but after I've started discovering Niekisch I feel the economics line up more with mine @Firefly

@Revolutionary Nationalist what's your opinion on jews?

Culturally bourgeois

I see a lot of nazbol hate them, but a lot like them

Also the DPRK has done nothing wrong

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCrVEoT3yUE&index=4&list=RDc7KNEdc52V0

@Revolutionary Nationalist I went from nazbol/strasser to Marx. This is the only scientific theory to my view. I see a lot of ways how to connect nationalism with Marxism. Idealism with science.

doesn't that make you jucheist? or a jucheist sympathizer?

@Firefly I went from libertarianism to Marx, to Tito, to Strasserism, to National Bolshevism. I was a Strasserist for like a year and a half before recently converting after talking to a friend of mine who convinced me to read Niekisch

But the connection of Marxism with idealism and nationalism shall be only through the authority of Marxists.

@Deleted User Sympathizer for sure, I'd have to read more on the ideology of Juche to really call myself a Juchist but from what I know about it I really like it.

@Firefly National Bolsheviks aren't Marxists despite getting a lot of influence from Marx

@Revolutionary Nationalist I know. But the next gen can be Marxists.

the reason Juche exists in the state it does is to keep the population from revolting, Kim is purposefully keeping the means of survival away from the people so they won't ever consider going against the state

@Firefly Well, Marxists are better than capitalist scum

Jucheism is the most anti-people state of government imaginable

I'd say even less people-friendly than anarchy

Well the people should serve the state and the state should serve the people. The problem with NK is the material conditions that have lead to it's situation. I believe if the North and South were united under Juche and not under an economic war by the west you'd have a near perfect state under the Kims.

@Deleted User spoke with SJW anarchists yesterday. She almost started a fight with me ^__^ Anarchy is more destructive than friendly.

that's what I was saying

@Firefly Anarchists are filthy larpers that attack fellow proles instead of attacking the system itself

North Korea purposely has an awful material situation, it's easier to keep the people calm that way

Fair enough

the NK state believes that by giving the people what they need the people would demand more

and would therefore revolt against the state and leaving communism

People can say a lot about the DPRK but the alternative I think would be far worse if the Kims were overthrown. Civil war and millions of deaths.

Jucheism is a way of "preserving" communism

True for the most part but I would call it preserving socialism as opposed to preserving communism in this case. Other than that I agree with you.

It is also good for preserving the sovereignty of a free state and people.

True my friend

what's you guys' opinion on this beautiful man

If there is choice between freedom of your people and becoming a sheeplet that what you do. DPRK all the way. An honorable people standing for themselves are genuinely good.

Never heard of him @Deleted User

the people of NK are sheeplet

yo whats this discord

@Firefly Exactly

Janusz Korwin @Revolutionary Nationalist

@Ｕｎｃｌｅ＿Ｊｏｅ＿ｗｉｔｈ＿ｃａｐｉｔａｌ＿Ｏ A house of tankies

>using the term "tankie"
kek

so what splintergroup is this?

DPRK is closer to Fascism than to Communism

@Ｕｎｃｌｅ＿Ｊｏｅ＿ｗｉｔｈ＿ｃａｐｉｔａｌ＿Ｏ I think half of the people here are right wingers who came to troll

@Ｕｎｃｌｅ＿Ｊｏｅ＿ｗｉｔｈ＿ｃａｐｉｔａｌ＿Ｏ I take it as a compliment when people call me a tankie

it's a literal ethnostate, white people have to live in gated communities

jucheism is literally nothing like fascism

fascism would never starve its people

it would rather sacrifice its own ideology

@Deleted User Not all forms of fascism are bad, National Syndicalism, Peronism, Strasserism, Ba'athism, etc... etc...

jeez

>ukrainian has it's own channel

none of those were fascism

this is just too spicy

@Revolutionary Nationalist

@Deleted User Technically they were all third position which falls under the fascist umbrella.

ok cuckboys, im out of this /pol/ honeypot, have fun memeing gullible teens

I know plenty of fascists who embrace pro-worker ideas

it's Fascism

Fascism was created by socialists in part as a replacement of Communism

Fascism gets shit when it Turns into things like Hitlerism and Francoism

Fascism has some core ideas like the ones that are laid out in the doctrine

otherwise the policies are determined by the nation and its history

"Fascism could better be named state corporatism as it is the combining of state and corporate power"

fascism is inherently capitalistic

They're talking about a different type of "corporation" that quote is often misused

capitalism doesn't mean "economic idea that makes money"

They're basically talking about guilds or syndicates

capitalism is the existance of capital in a state as an economic idea

socialism is the non-existance of capital

exactly what i mean

everything is capitalism to some people

the economic planning in fascist nations usually centered around the idea of corporate responsibility

Fascism is self described as "qualitative Democracy" wheras most of the west uses a type of quantitative democracy

hey I'll be back in like an hour

bye

http://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/134095886

**Anti-Communism General**

it's just an analogy but it explains it a bit

My definition of capitalism is very loose, it refers to the means of production. Fascism can exist as either a capitalist or socialist system depending on how the corporatism itself is organized. For example under national syndicalism you still have corporatism because collective industries are organized into guilds/corporations and you also still have managers but those managers are elected by the workers. With heads of natsyn corporations forming a great workers council.

the Strasser brothers were murdered for being communist sympathisers, they wouldn't give up their dream and join the NDSAP

^

many Fascists were former Socialists

I was a Marxist for a while before moving to a fascistic socialism

National Socialist was called Socialism partly to attract socialists and convert them

Well there were some socialist roots under people like Gottfried Feder but Hitler hijacked the movement

He was a demagogue