not if your country wars the poor country and makes the state accept it

They could be very wealthy

They also ended with agriculture because "HURR DURR OIL WILL PAY FOR OUR FOOD"

venezuela shot it's other foot by relying on oil

Dude

*they literally burned crops*

*for no reason*

They should have invested the oil money

like UAE

But they'd rather give everyone their basic needs

@ClibtardMario I heard that was the opposition

UAE is smart, they have their hands in everything

who burned crops?

It was the chavist government, they found the miracle of oil and began burning crops because "oil revenue will pay for our food imports, fuck it"

when are w talking?

I'm thinking recently

I don't know the exact timeframe

Socialists regimes often make grave mistakes in thinking they nkow better to do with a whole lot of sectors

Venezuela and the great leap forward by china are good examples

great leap forward, possibly the most retarded thing in the 20th century

FUCK THE SPARROWS

why sparrows though, at least kill something annoying like mosquitoes

tfw you intend to create a great leap forward and end up creating an economical depression and a death toll of 60 million <:bour:313709044957315082>

well they thought sparrows were a detriment to harvest

how are you gonna kill musquitos?

was a joke

woops turns out sparrows are imporant

rip

hey hey hey, what if people make iron in their backyards?

Aren't they genetically modifying mosquitos not to carry malaria

Hi

what is this

wasteland of a discord

omfg

```WHY ALL THE RETIREMENT SYSTEM BASED ON CAPITALIZATION IS FADED TO FAILURE.

Some people might think that I am making an anticapitalist and left-wing critique of funded pension systems, as I am criticizing the girl in the eye of the big fallacy of proposing "pension fund capitalism," but I will make a critique within Market logic that usually escapes economists and administrators, the evolution of technological evolution.

CAPITALIZATION systems are based on "good managers", honest, honest (redundant) and efficient that they invest the fortunes they collect in solid companies and with a promising and profitable future in the long term, but even if they have this profile they are doomed to failure!

To better understand, let's trace the profile of a "good manager" of investment funds for retirement and show that this "good manager" is in reality intrinsically a lousy manager!```

>Implying pensions by solidarity are better

🤔

is this full gommunism

wilderness may be better word

??

@BoleslawBierutLover <#314928198809026561> it is a mental prison for ungodly sinners and materialists.

it used to be

@Firefly There are no leaders???

tbh anyone who defends social security is either leeching off of it or is a retard

FULL COMMUNISM

@BoleslawBierutLover everyone is a leader.

FULLER COMMUNISM

does anyone know at what time socialism began to mean socdem in america?

always

people called Freddy Roosevelt a socialist

because I assume it didn't in the earlier parts of 20th century and before

Huey Long got it too

@Firefly yes

have you read hoxha

I did.

why stop

>says stalin

@Sampuka Point?

The soviet union was the most democratic society in the history of the world

there were exploitation in the SU, but I guess he doesn't have to be tied to then system he was a leader of

sounds ironic but it isn't

@Sampuka There was not exploitation in the SU, workers got the value of their labor. A cut was tken for the running of the country

fyi

That is not exploitation

the way marx described it

@BoleslawBierutLover I read often Stalin in Russian. I think Hoxha did the same.

Hoxha is bae

well, saying the state needed the surplus for something doesn't justify it

He will roast all of you revisionists

@Sampuka Yes it does, becauser the workers ran the state

it isn't a surplus

that money doesn't go into the pockets of the directors

Stalin made the same amount of money as the average doctor

but the workers aren't one person

You'd think a system that great would allow dissent from the workers

what if one person didn't agree with it

@Timo))) It did

There was plenty of self critiscism

Yet they had to keep them walled in and away from us products

not all kinds of dissent though

Yeah

like all countries

it is a dictatorship of the proletariat, you are idealist if you think people trying to restore bourgouise should go unpunished

We probably all agree here Hoxha had the best policy on Muslim religion to this day.

Ah so crack down on freedom

@Firefly Yes

@Firefly join vc

@Timo))) come to vc

we will discuss your misconceptions

I'm off to do something else

sure u r

I'm here often though, will debate you then

>Implying you have other things to do

lol ask anyone here, i always debate anyone

kinda wish I knew anything about USSR, but I only know the "common knowledge" and a bit more

it's 00:15 here

hi

hey liz

I like text format debating more tbh, because you have a chat history, and the social part of it is more alienated

so people with a lot of charisma or whatever won't effect it