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2017-06-10 07:18:54 UTC

If there is no need for explanation, why are you a Marxist?

2017-06-10 07:19:40 UTC

Should I not be for some reason?

2017-06-10 07:20:53 UTC

Marx explains a lot, but if there is no need, then why make the exception?

2017-06-10 07:21:14 UTC

Exception for what?

2017-06-10 07:22:14 UTC

You said that God is useless because there is no need for explanation. So there is no need for explanation full stop. I can apply this dismissal to anything I don't like.

2017-06-10 07:22:51 UTC

There is no need for it. But you can have it regardless of the absence of the objective need.

2017-06-10 07:23:44 UTC

Marxism is contingent. <:troll_king:312064227542040576>

2017-06-10 07:23:53 UTC

lol

2017-06-10 07:24:40 UTC

There might be a subjective need.

2017-06-10 07:24:51 UTC

It is different.

2017-06-10 07:25:16 UTC

No need. Explanation is not necessary.

2017-06-10 07:25:33 UTC

Objectively? No.

2017-06-10 07:25:48 UTC

Are you completely objective?

2017-06-10 07:25:54 UTC

Nope.

2017-06-10 07:26:16 UTC

Then you might want some explanations due to your subjectivity.

2017-06-10 07:26:30 UTC

Would you call that a need?

2017-06-10 07:27:34 UTC

I would call it a timely matter. Subject there is and than there is no.

2017-06-10 07:27:50 UTC

And with it the need for explanations is gone.

2017-06-10 07:30:25 UTC

The need to have an active force, a mover with superpowers is a need to have a secured childhood. The child feels good and grows well.

2017-06-10 07:30:40 UTC

It is natural to need it.

2017-06-10 07:31:02 UTC

Nothing offensive in it.

2017-06-10 07:31:24 UTC

Good reflexes.

2017-06-10 07:33:02 UTC

So sometimes there is a need for explanation, when the subject calls upon it.

2017-06-10 07:33:53 UTC

No objective need. But subjective, yes. With explanations child works better. Brain develops. Very healthy and favorable for evolution.

2017-06-10 07:34:47 UTC

I agree with that.

2017-06-10 07:37:59 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/308950154222895104/323002845056204800/aBWd3qP_460s.jpg

2017-06-10 07:38:04 UTC

So then here we are, at the intersection of explanations. I repeat the question, if the universe, and the things in it doesn't need to exist, why does it exist when it could have failed?

2017-06-10 07:38:31 UTC

For now, I no longer care about Big Bang Theory.

2017-06-10 07:39:35 UTC

It just did always exist like that. I tend to think.

2017-06-10 07:39:48 UTC

" if everything is possible not to be, then at one time there could have been nothing in existence. Now if this were true, even now there would be nothing in existence, because that which does not exist only begins to exist by something already existing. Therefore, if at one time nothing was in existence, it would have been impossible for anything to have begun to exist; and thus even now nothing would be in existence---which is absurd. Therefore, not all beings are merely possible, but there must exist something the existence of which is necessary."

2017-06-10 07:41:40 UTC

The existence of the contingent universe must rest on something, and if it rested on some contingent being then that contingent being too would require some explanation of its existence. The ultimate explanation of the existence of all things, therefore, must be the existence of some necessary being. This necessary being is readily identified by proponents of the cosmological argument as God.

2017-06-10 07:41:45 UTC

I do not agree with this mental gymnastics. It can go anyway from here. It may stop existing. Start. Or just keep.

2017-06-10 07:42:01 UTC

But you have no explanation for that.

2017-06-10 07:42:05 UTC

I have no data to judge.

2017-06-10 07:42:56 UTC

Then don't judge.

2017-06-10 07:44:06 UTC

And I do not. I just say that the laws of the matter - dialectics, are in contradiction with your theories.

2017-06-10 07:44:34 UTC

But how really is we do not have data. SO far what we know it always been and always will be.

2017-06-10 07:44:43 UTC

That is our experience.

2017-06-10 07:44:55 UTC

Subjective experience.

2017-06-10 07:45:32 UTC

Yes and our personal experience is that the individual will never die either. And yet reason explains we will die.

2017-06-10 07:45:52 UTC

We see people dying.

2017-06-10 07:46:24 UTC

We see galaxies moving away, too.

2017-06-10 07:47:09 UTC

Thats just a fact. No connection with abstractions to it gladly.

2017-06-10 07:50:24 UTC

Death is an abstraction.

2017-06-10 07:50:37 UTC

Yes.

2017-06-10 07:51:06 UTC

It seems everything is an abstraction.

2017-06-10 07:51:35 UTC

What is happening in your head? Yes.

2017-06-10 07:51:50 UTC

But outside is objective world.

2017-06-10 07:52:01 UTC

dialectical and material.

2017-06-10 07:52:07 UTC

But the 'outside world' is also an abstraction.

2017-06-10 07:52:14 UTC

Nope

2017-06-10 07:52:14 UTC

jews

2017-06-10 07:52:23 UTC

Is there anything that isn't an abstraction?

2017-06-10 07:52:40 UTC

(((you)))

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/308950154222895104/323006540527304704/Them.png

2017-06-10 07:52:56 UTC

Outside world is both objective and abstract in your head.

2017-06-10 07:53:10 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/308950154222895104/323006666792501258/1496559018219.png

2017-06-10 07:53:35 UTC

Nope. Bothness is an abstraction.

2017-06-10 07:53:49 UTC

You guys like being part of a movement made by the eternal jew?

2017-06-10 07:54:00 UTC

Yes, it is an abstraction.

2017-06-10 07:54:11 UTC

left/pol/ is a mistake

2017-06-10 07:54:41 UTC

Objectivity is an abstraction.

2017-06-10 07:54:47 UTC

Yes!

2017-06-10 07:54:56 UTC

You starting to get it

2017-06-10 07:54:58 UTC

Abstraction is abstraction.

2017-06-10 07:55:03 UTC

Yes!

2017-06-10 07:57:22 UTC

Your mother is an abstraction.

2017-06-10 07:57:40 UTC

Yes, she is dead.

2017-06-10 07:58:05 UTC

Unfortunate.

2017-06-10 07:58:17 UTC

No regrets.

2017-06-10 08:02:35 UTC

This is a better kind of nihilism. ALL AND NOTHING: ABSTRACTION.

2017-06-10 08:03:23 UTC

Matter is not an abstraction. But it does not need a reason, only subject needs it for better survival.

2017-06-10 08:04:08 UTC

Matter also is an abstraction.

2017-06-10 08:04:21 UTC

In the same time.

2017-06-10 08:05:42 UTC

Nice gymnastics, but no. This is special pleading.

2017-06-10 08:05:57 UTC

"Matter is different than the rest, because it just is"

2017-06-10 08:06:20 UTC

It has difference not with the rest, but only with subject.

2017-06-10 08:06:43 UTC

Subject is a very little part of matter.

2017-06-10 08:07:01 UTC

It overestimates its importance.

2017-06-10 08:07:16 UTC

Abstraction.

2017-06-10 08:07:21 UTC

How not?

2017-06-10 08:07:54 UTC

I'm still not certain what is and what isn't an abstraction.

2017-06-10 08:08:04 UTC

Everything is, Mros.

2017-06-10 08:08:06 UTC

Yes, it is.

2017-06-10 08:08:09 UTC

The way you put it, not even matter itself is consistent

2017-06-10 08:08:23 UTC

Sometimes it is an abstraction and sometimes it isn't

2017-06-10 08:08:47 UTC

Matter is an abstraction. How is it not?

2017-06-10 08:08:49 UTC

Sometimes your mother is alive, sometimes not.

2017-06-10 08:09:04 UTC

If it is not - it is only an abstraction.

2017-06-10 08:09:15 UTC

So does matter simply stop existing?

2017-06-10 08:09:20 UTC

Alive and dead. Abstraction.

2017-06-10 08:09:22 UTC

If it is alive - it also material.

2017-06-10 08:09:33 UTC

Stop using reason.

2017-06-10 08:09:55 UTC

@Deleted User why stop? I'm subjective.

2017-06-10 08:10:05 UTC

Subject is irrational.

2017-06-10 08:10:10 UTC

It won't stop.

2017-06-10 08:10:43 UTC

It will use reason.

2017-06-10 08:10:49 UTC

It has a program to do so.

2017-06-10 08:11:09 UTC

Good for evolution.

2017-06-10 08:11:35 UTC

Subjectivity is abstraction.

2017-06-10 08:11:42 UTC

Nope.

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