>Saudi military strategists

@Firefly Hi, are you the server owner?

Nevermind then

https://discord.gg/3B5Qe

Are there any fans of Thomas Aquinas here?

If so, why does there have to be a First Cause? If the universe is infinite in space and time, cause and effect goes on and went on forever.

God does not exist.

For an effect to occur wouldn't there have to be a catalyst?

I can't comment much on Aquinas because I'm still new to his work.

But that's my understanding of it.

The Compendium of Theology is a good introduction to his ideas. For more in depth explanation of them you could read the Summa Theologicae.

Nigga be gay?

are dank maymays allowed gere?

Probably

For God to have created the universe it needs to have an origin, but it is not clear that the universe ever had one.

It isn't clear that there isn't a beginning though.

it is not clear the beginning if the end was the start of the beginning

@Mros I guess you're right about that. It is ambiguous.

BRB

It would be logical to think though, that there would be a beginning.

I think the opposite is logical given there is no evidence of it ever happening or being possible.

Would it be logical to think that is has always just existed?

Yes.

If so why would it be expanding away from a specific point?

outwards

Of course the big bang is just a theory, but it is plausible.

Why does that matter? Laws of thermodynamics don't change. Energy is never created or destroyed only transforms.

True.

It depend on what you mean by beginning and end. In the extreme future the universe is predicted to cool down and eventually all matter will stop moving. That is a kind of end, even though it is one extreme end of transformation.

You can say the same about the beginning, however still, matter is not created from nothing.

Nor will matter ever disappear. It is hard to say where the role of God would be, if any.

Who knows

It's outside of my knowledge.

So it's not really something I can comment on, unforutuneatley.

They're questions worth asking though.

Theologically though, I can reason, that perfect knowledge would be hidden from us from God on purpose, so that free will is still possible.

It also fits into the hierarchy of man and God

Oh, here it is.

I found a pdf of The Compendium Of Theology

I have it. I will refer to it now.

Oh ok

Latin is such a pretty language.

It is

Ah, Aquinas says First Mover, not first cause. That's interesting. There does seem to have been a beginning of movement in the early universe. So he is saying God inspired movement, or transformation of energy into motion.

Yes

Energy is like God's clay. It can be eternal or exist outside of time. According to this theology.

First paragraph answered my question.

Thanks for the reference.

No problem.

http://www.hawking.org.uk/the-beginning-of-time.html

Interesting, thanks for sharing.

Do you guys remember ''vixator''?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2978194/table/tbl2/

its shown faggots have very high suicide rates even though the world is opening up to them

you might ask why? its simply because the mental illness of homos is an infestation of the mind

Where's the server that tried to co'up /pol/nation back in 2016?

If we agree that time only began with the Big Bang event then there is no antecedent to the Big Bang. Therefore, nothing. No information existed before the Big Bang.

Energy can't exist outside of time

God is only impossible in infinite regression of the black hole cycle which is hypothetical if not theoretical

long live U.S.S.R.

nope

more like long dead ussr

died at the hands of the AFGHANI MUJAHIDEEN

Yo you afgan guerrilla i will shoot you with my mi24 hind gunship and blow you up with my t34 tank stalin will come to your house with a kgb officer and personally have you shoot by firing squad

LONG LIVE LENIN

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lol

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>be ussr

>lose war against afghani farmers

its like vietnam 2.0 but the roles are reversed

Be ussr

Kill all capitalist pigs

Destroy imperialism

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lol

invading other countries is the definition of imperialism

the ussr wasnt communist

exact opposite actually

state capitalism

or as my nigga trotsky called it

Not when ussr does it

a degenerated workers state

Be USSR
Expand communism
???
PROFIT

oops no I don't mean profit ehm

USE!

Profit is for imperialist paper tigers

ussr was not capitaliat filth and america should burn

america should be burned

Atleast we agree on that

but the USSR felt the wrath of the Mujahideen

Ho Chi Minh has an ass kicking for you

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im not saying ho chi minh did anything wrong

all the ussr did wrong was kill trotsky and invade afghanistan

Ussr glory state never did anything wrong

😏

>Trotsky