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2017-06-07 08:36:28 UTC  

But that's my understanding of it.

2017-06-07 08:38:05 UTC  

The Compendium of Theology is a good introduction to his ideas. For more in depth explanation of them you could read the Summa Theologicae.

2017-06-07 08:58:59 UTC  

Nigga be gay?

2017-06-07 08:59:15 UTC  

are dank maymays allowed gere?

2017-06-07 08:59:21 UTC  

Probably

2017-06-07 08:59:25 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/308950154222895104/321936176158212097/eJwNy0sOgyAQANC7cACYD58ZL2MIGrRRMUJXTe_evv37mPdzmMlsY9x9cm7Ze2nPYvtoT66rra3VY8333m1pp8tj5LKd6zW6YwCM.jpg

2017-06-07 09:08:21 UTC  

For God to have created the universe it needs to have an origin, but it is not clear that the universe ever had one.

2017-06-07 09:08:43 UTC  

It isn't clear that there isn't a beginning though.

2017-06-07 09:09:19 UTC  

it is not clear the beginning if the end was the start of the beginning

2017-06-07 09:15:47 UTC  

@Mros I guess you're right about that. It is ambiguous.

2017-06-07 09:15:57 UTC  

BRB

2017-06-07 09:16:16 UTC  

It would be logical to think though, that there would be a beginning.

2017-06-07 09:18:11 UTC  

I think the opposite is logical given there is no evidence of it ever happening or being possible.

2017-06-07 09:18:49 UTC  

Would it be logical to think that is has always just existed?

2017-06-07 09:18:55 UTC  

Yes.

2017-06-07 09:19:01 UTC  

If so why would it be expanding away from a specific point?

2017-06-07 09:19:11 UTC  

outwards

2017-06-07 09:19:41 UTC  

Of course the big bang is just a theory, but it is plausible.

2017-06-07 09:20:09 UTC  

Why does that matter? Laws of thermodynamics don't change. Energy is never created or destroyed only transforms.

2017-06-07 09:21:35 UTC  

True.

2017-06-07 09:28:52 UTC  

It depend on what you mean by beginning and end. In the extreme future the universe is predicted to cool down and eventually all matter will stop moving. That is a kind of end, even though it is one extreme end of transformation.

2017-06-07 09:30:02 UTC  

You can say the same about the beginning, however still, matter is not created from nothing.

2017-06-07 09:32:28 UTC  

Nor will matter ever disappear. It is hard to say where the role of God would be, if any.

2017-06-07 09:32:59 UTC  

Who knows

2017-06-07 09:33:15 UTC  

It's outside of my knowledge.

2017-06-07 09:33:36 UTC  

So it's not really something I can comment on, unforutuneatley.

2017-06-07 09:33:43 UTC  

They're questions worth asking though.

2017-06-07 09:38:03 UTC  

Theologically though, I can reason, that perfect knowledge would be hidden from us from God on purpose, so that free will is still possible.

2017-06-07 09:38:49 UTC  

It also fits into the hierarchy of man and God

2017-06-07 09:41:49 UTC  

Oh, here it is.

2017-06-07 09:41:59 UTC  

I found a pdf of The Compendium Of Theology

2017-06-07 09:44:38 UTC  

I have it. I will refer to it now.

2017-06-07 09:44:46 UTC  

Oh ok

2017-06-07 09:46:01 UTC  

Latin is such a pretty language.

2017-06-07 09:46:07 UTC  

It is

2017-06-07 09:52:01 UTC  

Ah, Aquinas says First Mover, not first cause. That's interesting. There does seem to have been a beginning of movement in the early universe. So he is saying God inspired movement, or transformation of energy into motion.

2017-06-07 09:52:23 UTC  

Yes

2017-06-07 09:54:09 UTC  

Energy is like God's clay. It can be eternal or exist outside of time. According to this theology.

2017-06-07 09:54:57 UTC  

First paragraph answered my question.

2017-06-07 09:55:31 UTC  

Thanks for the reference.

2017-06-07 09:55:46 UTC  

No problem.