Yes. And I was hoping for more serious discussion.

Unless.... Poe's law....and your serious?

Humans are unstable, vile creatures.

Do not forget yourself, and how your treatment of others reflects on yourself.

I'm not mad.

Oh. Oops.

I was told it allows more. Pale.

I have a question for you all: What is with the obession with economics and politics?

Summer break?

I graduated 6 years ago.

If I did. Not anymore.

What if I told you that's only a small part of the story?

That it being messed up is only a symptom?

Ultimately I won't be able to make a wholy satisfying case, I can't just convince anyone on some intellectual ground.

But as far as I can tell, as long as your working with fundamental flaws in humans, or rather relatable mistakes, you'll be stuck making half-way solutions that ultimately won't work under any system if your only focused on economics and politics.

So for starters, I have to question why there should be a focus on a fraction of everything.

I know that as long as there is a chance to make mistakes, to have frailties, you can't have a system that will work perfectly.
Only a theortically perfect intelligence could achieve that. (And since it is likely to bring up a lot of stuff that would only encourage a flame war. Let's just leave the perfect person thing alone.)

I just mean that I just don't feel that government can solve all our problems,and particularly if it's a character problem, only we can change ourselves.

I would rather work the other way.

That way doesn't seem to be working.

I don't see government changing the character of people, do you?

Of course.

You can't blanket it. It tends to be case by case.

But.....you could start with a fear of not having enough control, not having enough. That's common.

Can't really make egalitarianism work until they believe in it.

And neither is any other political system I've ever seen. I see no difference.

Always a bunch of comprises at the end of the day. And since I want real change and not to just wish for it....

Not on the whole. But I think I see the same problem. A lot of people are less understanding, more prone to being offended, and that's just to start.

While you can argue that.

On the flip side a lot of people still want to maintain high appearances, and don't live within thier means.

That debt was thier own mistake. If only they didn't have thier confidence come from such materialism and learned to be happy with what they had in the moment, especially if they could say they owned what they had?

This is correct.

Which makes the political-economic obession make even less sense to me.

Take *responsible* loans.

I was talking about excess.

A loan for the means of achieving important needs and earning back that money is not just acceptable, it's necessary.

It's morally gray. But hey, if you both earn and win, it changes it to a brighter shade, far as I'm concerned.

They made great scarfices for those around them.

Because clearly they didn't see much value in only benefitting themselves.

Something I find uncommon.

If you want to call it heroism, thinking it's some kind of useless thing to not try what they tried because of the threat of death, shouldn't deter you. No matter our problems today, they made a difference then.

I'm not sure what that economic stuff has to do with honesty.
But indeed, transparency and honesty is also a rare virtue.

And so. It's the kind of thing I care more for.

I just don't see how you work around problems caused by stuff like that without addressing those first.

It's not realistic to fix all of that up perfectly, amd someone has to manage government stuff in the meantime........but any success in it would affect litterally everything else.

Wether you consider it religious morality or strict cold hard ethics or whatever else, you'll still end up at the same place.

I know a lot of folks think there's a lot of varience in cultural rules and such. But at some point you see the patterns between all of them....

As far as I can tell, corrupting that base ruleset is what collapses societies, not politics, not economics, not culture.....

And if it were to be at least partially fixed today, maybe the US voterbase wouldn't be so partisan....

Thier parties *can* do wrong, and in fact frequently do.

While I do understand the concern regarding gender these days. I have to question the effectiveness of attempting to troll a survey.

I have no idea how to do that, and I can't say I feel confident doing that will achieve it. But, even so, good luck.

No idea who that is, no comment.

United States VP?

I'm Canadian.

And unfortunately I don't take a lot of time to study American politics. Sorry. :<

Nah, it's amusing.
And somewhow I can't say your completely wrong.

We make plento fun of ourselves.

Why, I just made poutine in my igloo this morning.

Oh man, at this rate the rhinos are going to have to storm in again....

There's some pretty cracky parties though, I wouldn't have been surprised if it existed.

I don't know much about it, but china is a wierd case. Communist but also capitalist....?

And yet still strict on any sort of culture import and heavily censors the web.

See. At some point I have to wonder wether the political label even counts for anything. XP

Yet, it seems the two get often lumped together.

Well, that was kinda the point, left or right, I only care about what they actually do.

As someone who had only the general development of an 18 month old when I started kindergarten, I don't have any faith in IQ scores.

I just tend to find that a bunch of people could say your not that smart, or at least aren't sure you'll succeed, and then despite everything, you could succeed top of the class.

Autism can be very debilitating. I would expect it would often suggest lower IQ for many.

As someone who was 18 months developed at 5 years and thus was diagnosed with PDD which is considered on the spectrum, there's a lot of misunderstanding about autism.

Making it a meme is **not** helping matters.

And then the memeage started.....

This server has been violently colonised by memes.

But was authoritarian.

Regardless of what they were, they messed it up somewhere.

Hitler might claim to be Christian. But then he was a known liar too.

And if he really can be called a Christian, then there's a lot of people who aren't, despite also claiming it.

The different definitions are contradictory and don't work together.

I define it as being like Christ. And while there's a lot of interpretation room there, sure. I don't see how you could compare Hitler amd Jesus and see any similarity, it's like polar opposites.

And that's all I care about when it comes to that.

Some versions of communism and religion share the same principles.

Obviously stalinist communism doesn't jive. But what about ideas of sharing stuff?
In a perfect world it works out. But we aren't perfect.

Just needa refinement, a *lot* of refinement.

But I wouldn't mind seeing the day Russia showing America something better. Having learned from the past century.

Are you talking about me?

Because I don't really subscribe to an ideology too much, I just want things to work out if possible, no matter the methods (within reason).

@Deleted User communism, if done correctly, wouldn't land on the left end. And I'm not Catholic, so that doesn't concern me.

Ok. I'm caught up now. I just meant that I believe there happens to be some correlation between some religious and some versions of marxism/communism. Doesn't mean they are the same in practice, and I certainly don't bang on about it. I don't disagree that it doesn't work.

As for making up for ancestral mistakes, sure, it isn't our fault and we shouldn't be made responsible for it, but we don't have much reason not to be responsible about our present.

And luck, and throwing any sort of ethics out the window.

I don't even know who mason is. I don't care either.

And your point being?

Or is that a shitpost?

Shitpost then.

I wish politics were taken more seriously.

I feel like there's two types of not caring.

^ this

But burden or not. It should be tried anyway.

That's fine, I hear about utopia and dystopia being too similar these days.

Perfection is a lofty, desirable ideal, but it requires a worse thing then letting things be chaotic at times.