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2017-10-01 23:50:45 UTC

Really?

2017-10-01 23:50:59 UTC

That was your solution to the problem.

2017-10-01 23:51:05 UTC

That you told me, at least.

2017-10-01 23:51:11 UTC

>implying that there isn't more directly democratic or more authoritarian versions of capitalism

2017-10-01 23:51:17 UTC

@Seedle wrong. I said that would be a start to addressing Zionist subversion

2017-10-01 23:51:21 UTC

inb4 it's "kill the jewish bourgeoisie but the white ones are okay"

2017-10-01 23:51:25 UTC
2017-10-01 23:51:42 UTC

@Seedle fucking retard, when did I ever imply that?

2017-10-01 23:51:50 UTC

Democracy is a means for the working class to exercise ownership and not a goal in it of itself.

2017-10-01 23:52:26 UTC

@Seedle ah, I guess I'm poor and weak, perhaps *FUCKING COMMUNISM* is my only hope, zero alternatives! I'll sit here and wait, Heh.

2017-10-01 23:52:38 UTC

Revolution any second now

2017-10-01 23:52:41 UTC

Aaaaaannnnnyyyyy second

2017-10-01 23:52:47 UTC

Comrades? Guys?

2017-10-01 23:52:53 UTC

Uh.... Any second, yeah.

2017-10-01 23:53:09 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/308950154222895104/364198081912373268/173637.jpg

2017-10-01 23:53:55 UTC

>taxing the rich and regulating the money into poverty stricken communities won't help

2017-10-01 23:53:57 UTC

Hmmm

2017-10-01 23:54:05 UTC

Never heard of this welfare thing

2017-10-01 23:54:27 UTC

>paying the poor more won't make them less poor
HMMMMMM

2017-10-01 23:54:44 UTC

As for college, it shouldn't be free.

2017-10-01 23:55:18 UTC

Bernie supporters want all this and it's bare bones, is this to mock them? @Deleted User

2017-10-01 23:56:15 UTC

minimum wages make it less affordable for companies to hire people, so they need to fire a few, increasing unemployment and thus reducing the market value of a worker, increasing poverty

2017-10-01 23:56:35 UTC

Who is the meme targeting?

2017-10-01 23:56:46 UTC

>socialism is just welfare

2017-10-01 23:56:50 UTC

there's only a small amount of people who actually profit from minimum wages and people usually work their way up the hirarchy fast enough so that they get a better paying, middle class job

2017-10-01 23:57:05 UTC

@Seedle did I say that?

2017-10-01 23:57:15 UTC

@Seedle amazing straw man arguments, comrade cumguzzler

2017-10-01 23:57:39 UTC

That's what you kept screeching about, am I right?

2017-10-01 23:57:41 UTC

so as for ">paying the poor more", that's a very shallow understanding of wages

2017-10-01 23:57:51 UTC

@Seedle uh, no

2017-10-01 23:58:04 UTC

@Deleted User who is the meme targeting? Answer the question

2017-10-01 23:58:11 UTC

But anyway, he's a proposed democratic socialist model that was introduced in wake of the welfare state's failure to deliver the actual intended results https://peoplespolicyproject.org/2017/08/21/tackling-wealth-inequality-like-a-swede/

2017-10-01 23:58:31 UTC

@sleeping zzz a few questionable socialist opinions

2017-10-01 23:58:53 UTC

which are very popular among leftists

2017-10-01 23:58:59 UTC

they're stereotypical

2017-10-01 23:59:17 UTC

>destroy all "subversive" "activity" by eliminating the boogeyman to save our capitalist culture and government

2017-10-01 23:59:44 UTC

Reminder Hitler purged the left wing elements of the NSDAP because he was in bed with german industrialists and petit-bourgie

2017-10-02 00:00:25 UTC

capitalism actually works pretty fine as long as the government doesn't cuck itself to corporations

2017-10-02 00:00:49 UTC
2017-10-02 00:01:51 UTC

>when you're apparently socialists but have the actually socialist leaders of your party are killed

2017-10-02 00:02:34 UTC

Hitler was sympathetic towards capitalism

2017-10-02 00:02:38 UTC

At some point

2017-10-02 00:02:38 UTC

@Deleted User Where has that been the case?

2017-10-02 00:04:46 UTC

Hitler was a massive shill for capitalists.

2017-10-02 00:05:58 UTC

Well, America's rapid growth in the early 20th century before large scale corporate consolidation and larger corruption.
I don't think there's any examples of "pure capitalism" historically, that's more of an Ancap theory.

And I wouldn't exactly call Hitler a capitalist, but he allowed his market to grow fairly freely and focused on creating a powerful worker's union with worker's rights in terms of socialism.

2017-10-02 00:06:38 UTC

all citizens of germany at that time were also given socialistic benefits

2017-10-02 00:06:45 UTC

including women who are child bearing

2017-10-02 00:07:09 UTC

Hitler was a darwinist, a naturalist and that's a big reason why he didn't like to go full socialist after the fascist revolution in Germany

2017-10-02 00:07:29 UTC

its also pretty difficult to be a capitalist when your economy is nationalistic

2017-10-02 00:07:51 UTC

There was major nationalist portions of the KPD.

2017-10-02 00:07:51 UTC

what capital is there to maximize when u are trying to individualize the german economy

2017-10-02 00:07:58 UTC

I mean you're pretty wrong on that.

2017-10-02 00:08:21 UTC

In reality Hitler had to appeal to industrialists and capitalists as apart of consolidating his power.

2017-10-02 00:08:32 UTC

what power

2017-10-02 00:08:37 UTC

he was already dictator of germany

2017-10-02 00:09:01 UTC

Military buildup, unions, just generally aligning people with him.

2017-10-02 00:09:32 UTC

You can be a dictator and still be on a sinking ship.

2017-10-02 00:09:37 UTC

but it wasnt

2017-10-02 00:09:43 UTC

It was though.

2017-10-02 00:09:57 UTC

so that wasnt a requirement, he was idolized and the economy was booming, if he is the result of it then thats why the german people praised him

2017-10-02 00:10:07 UTC

just like you see with russia and putin

2017-10-02 00:10:57 UTC

He wasn't idolized, he was seen as the only option to a lot of ordinary Germans.

2017-10-02 00:11:00 UTC

That's revisionism.

2017-10-02 00:11:04 UTC

You have to have the support of your generals and -to an extent- the upper class if you want to stay a dictator

2017-10-02 00:11:29 UTC

idk seeing footage of the sheer amount of people praising him doesnt seem to be revisionism

2017-10-02 00:11:32 UTC

Hitler was definitely idolised

2017-10-02 00:11:49 UTC

Idolized by the "german people"?

2017-10-02 00:11:50 UTC

No.

2017-10-02 00:12:06 UTC

Yes

2017-10-02 00:12:10 UTC

He absolutely was

2017-10-02 00:12:23 UTC

I've seen all the videos and pictures

2017-10-02 00:12:25 UTC

99.7% of the whole Reich supported Hitler and his decision to annex Austria in a plebiscite

2017-10-02 00:12:27 UTC

And personal recounts

2017-10-02 00:12:48 UTC

And well, he was seen as superhuman by the masses

2017-10-02 00:12:54 UTC

Exactly

2017-10-02 00:12:55 UTC

they adored him

2017-10-02 00:13:00 UTC

Over 12 million ETHNIC germans had been under some sort of criminal investigation or trial by the Hitlerian police state during his rule.

2017-10-02 00:13:00 UTC

The leader

2017-10-02 00:13:03 UTC

The fuhrer

2017-10-02 00:13:11 UTC

Furthermore, he was quietly opposed by those who had been alive during WWI.

2017-10-02 00:13:21 UTC

Didn't JFK love him

2017-10-02 00:13:27 UTC

He totally did

2017-10-02 00:13:32 UTC

>unironically buying into nazi propaganda

2017-10-02 00:13:40 UTC

so did several other nationalists and patriots

2017-10-02 00:13:47 UTC

You can't blame them, they wouldn't want to go to war after having experienced one already

2017-10-02 00:13:48 UTC

Reminder he got this support due to anti-communism.

2017-10-02 00:13:55 UTC

But that doesn't say anything about him as a leader

2017-10-02 00:13:57 UTC

i mean u cant just use fallacies like that you have to attack the concept of national socialism itself

2017-10-02 00:14:03 UTC

which is economically left wing is it not

2017-10-02 00:14:12 UTC

"legend"
-JFK

2017-10-02 00:14:28 UTC

There is no separation of the economic and political.

2017-10-02 00:14:39 UTC

but there is a seperation of economic and cultural

2017-10-02 00:14:50 UTC

National Socialism was envisaged as an expressly anti-socialist response

2017-10-02 00:15:03 UTC

Because if that wasn't the case, German industrialists would have been fucked.

2017-10-02 00:15:56 UTC

There was already one revolution in Germany, and there was about to be another if the KPD organized more power. Their natural instinct was to support Hitler and keynesian policies.

2017-10-02 00:16:48 UTC

i dont get it

2017-10-02 00:16:55 UTC

so the name just contradicts its own meaning by definition

2017-10-02 00:17:29 UTC

whether or not hitler precisely used the concept of national socialism isnt really relevant but the actual meaning of it

2017-10-02 00:18:08 UTC

Hitler had his own definition of socialism, that wasn't economic related at all

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