my personal opinion is a gigantic well researched no

But you can understand, 'it's just too complex' is almost verging on luddite tier rebuttal.

which is my eternal disappointment with the determination

i hate that i learned all i did and came away with 'we have no idea'

https://pics.onsizzle.com/capitalism-is-in-our-human-nature-200-000-bc-modern-humans-3045572.png

Are you saying genetic research has a low ceiling?

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@Blebleh Please stop spamming. The grown ups are talking.

Genetic research is a literal meme.

You can create a few homunculi, but that's probably about half of what you'll end up with

the real manipulation is in proteins, that's the closest control surface we ought to touch

simple because genes are not _read only_

You're getting in the game of muh human nature for capitalism

ive _BEEN_ in it

when primitive communism and socialism itself worked

manipulating human nature for fun and profit

thats how i know this shit

whatever you did it doesn't matter, it works

@OF-8 That's fantastic but stating your credentials over and over is just wasting space.

true

given

i dont have a marxist badge so i feel unfrockd

its fine

Let's start with really basic practices, like screening unborn cattle for disease, and selective breeding for traits in livestock. Next, genetically modified foods, another common practice. Next, animal cloning and IVF, not really high success rate but successes are successes. Are these things not what you would call progress in genetic research?

Not with regard to the need for humans to trade objects of value, fuck no.

OK, there are two parts here. Modifying humans over time with education and breeding, and outright changing the genome.

In the later, what are the main problems with genetic research which prevents experimentation with editting?

we can try all that uncertain shit, or flood the place with kebab cattle.

there's lots of experimentation, but the problem comes when the genes are passed to subsequent generations _if_ they make it that far.

the second generation of a GMO human has retarded high cancer rates

It seems like you are saying, 'it's just too hard don't even try'. But why not try? Why is it impossible to progress?

its not that it's too hard, but that we'll wreck the bloodlines of those that tru

So?

this will progress through a second pass at proteomics and some of thsoe things created legit super soldiers

it's foolish to try now, as a matter of personal caution, but if you care nothing for the divinity of man, then go right ahead

So humans can be changed, with selective breeding, or radical experimentation. Why is man sacred?

That's a philosophical question that marx will talk you out of as I answer it.

Seek elsewhere for that question.

I am not a dogmatist. Try me.

Really you are saying man's urge is sacred.

Not that it cannot be changed.

^ this. Yes

In the purely phenomenological sense, the nature or urge of man is a compulsion from an unknowably complex and long running process.

Yes we, through this divine urge, change the nature of man, but in doing so we break the link with divinity.

It is my opinion that this divinity is a wiser entity than you.

Or I. Or we.

Or the worker.

This is a regressive perspective. It doesn't matter if the process is better than anything we can imagine. What matters is that this may not be true forever. Why shouldn't we start now on our path for future mastery? Why are you motived to hamstring yourself, when you do not know all possible outcomes? This is anti-intellectual and Luddite tier.

How is it even possible to recognise that an origin (if that is even possible) is Absolutely perfect and thus its process today still is?

Hardly. My disconnection from the divine wisdom of Marx is that I feel he is wrong in his analysis of the divine urge.

It is in das kapital that he fucks this up

"I feel", "My opinion"

I don't even need to cite chapter and verse, because it's all rubbish.

Stop changing the goal posts.

Lmfao

I learned that from map

Mao

Well the mao2 model drones

My point is, from my perspective the socialist direction is a misdirection of otherwise intelligent people into a form of slave religion.

1) Prove there is an Absolute origin
2) Prove that this origin is perfect
3) Prove that the process from the origin is perfect
4) Prove that mankind can never reach this level of perfection

>materialists

🚁

Not an argument.

You demand proofs of the ethereal

What is 'ethereal'?

What else is there to do but provide fifteen seconds of socialist perfection

Existence is dependant on proofs, fam.

RUSH HEAD FIRST INTO UTOPIA, innit?

Got a better idea?

I don't buy that thesis at all.

Yes. Several. First of all stop wasting good intellect on a philosophical garbage can

Secondly, stop moaning about the system and use it wisely.

Thirdly, gain enough power and experience to effect real and wise change.

Do you always reassure yourself with such vagueness?

Tell me your idea.

That's the path.

The ideas ought to manifest from your divine urge.

Ignore that at your peril.

I will do that, once I know what is so special about divine urge.

Upanishads tbh fam

You are just worshipping the status quo.

What about them?

The answer to your question is the thesis of them

Gnostic texts also cover this

Egyptian story of Horus is basically this

Brahman?

You can get it kinda from Brahman

Are you a Gnostic?

Or just another edgy syncretic chaos wizard?

Tell me something concrete.

We are wandering into obscurity here.

In reference to divine urge you referenced ancient concepts of the Absolute. That's perfectly fine. But they do not address the urge part, specifically as you argued from evolution and the preserving of the 'natural' genome. I would ask the Gnostic, why be a Gnostic? He will answer: "it is in our nature". That's called circular reasoning. Why shouldn't we change it? There is an idealistic assumption that the way things are are the perfect and highest reality. Why? Well, "it just is, we have to believe it". No, we don't.

"But otherwise you will go to Hell, serve the demiurge, fall into samsara, etc etc" This is where I walk away. Complete sophistry.

Nah I'm a guy with a chatty wife. 💝

Are you taking it literally and not seriously?

My urges are telling me you are full of shit.

Follow them. That's the first step. 😎

I follow reason.

At your peril, fellow divine being.

"Do as I say or you will go to Hell". Thanks Father for that sage advice.