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2017-05-24 07:49:14 UTC

it's the best thing the average person could do right now

2017-05-24 07:49:27 UTC

The best thing the average person could do would be to join a communist organization

2017-05-24 07:49:32 UTC

and study theory

2017-05-24 07:49:34 UTC

and what will that achieve?

2017-05-24 07:49:36 UTC

and then spread that to others.

2017-05-24 07:49:42 UTC

the revolution will not come in my lifetime

2017-05-24 07:49:47 UTC

Building the foundation for a future revolutionary change.

2017-05-24 07:49:49 UTC

nor the decades after mine

2017-05-24 07:49:53 UTC

I mean, you don't know that

2017-05-24 07:50:04 UTC

when the October Revolution happened no one thought it was possible

2017-05-24 07:50:14 UTC

outside the Bolsheviks, obviously.

2017-05-24 07:50:22 UTC

Americans are leaning left, so if a revolution is to occur, it will occur through time, regardless

2017-05-24 07:50:31 UTC

the best thing is to introduce political reforms to ease suffering in the meantime

2017-05-24 07:50:43 UTC

even small steps mean a lot

2017-05-24 07:50:43 UTC

And, on top of that, no one thought the tiny Red army could fight off invaders from a shitload of capitalist countries AS WELL AS get rid of the bourgeois provisional government, but it did.

2017-05-24 07:51:00 UTC

No, if you try to produce political reforms you will waste your time

2017-05-24 07:51:22 UTC

Your time is better spent convincing others to become communists

2017-05-24 07:51:25 UTC

there's nothing else worthwhile to do

2017-05-24 07:51:28 UTC

that should be the only focus, is spreading communism

2017-05-24 07:51:38 UTC

people will lean left if I, for example, argue for universal coverage

2017-05-24 07:51:42 UTC

spread it everywhere. school, unis, unions, communities, etc.

2017-05-24 07:51:45 UTC

and if they are convinced, they will lean left

2017-05-24 07:51:49 UTC

You can do that as a communist

2017-05-24 07:51:54 UTC

if I argue for communism, many people I could have reached would shun me

2017-05-24 07:52:02 UTC

simply because of anti communism in America

2017-05-24 07:52:07 UTC

so it is best to do it subtly

2017-05-24 07:52:08 UTC

The overwhelming majority of people would benefit

2017-05-24 07:52:17 UTC

That's why you just call yourself a socialist.

2017-05-24 07:52:21 UTC

overwhelming majority would tune me out

2017-05-24 07:52:33 UTC

Then by the time people have been brought to your side they will find out for themselves

2017-05-24 07:52:37 UTC

they won't

2017-05-24 07:52:41 UTC

Yes

2017-05-24 07:52:42 UTC

they will only be brought to the left subtly

2017-05-24 07:52:42 UTC

they would

2017-05-24 07:52:47 UTC

That's not true at all

2017-05-24 07:52:48 UTC

most Americans will not

2017-05-24 07:52:57 UTC

Do you live in America?

2017-05-24 07:52:57 UTC

Because you have to raise class consciousness

2017-05-24 07:53:00 UTC

Yes.

2017-05-24 07:53:09 UTC

communism is looked with similar distaste to nazism by many people

2017-05-24 07:53:16 UTC

That's rapidly changing.

2017-05-24 07:53:24 UTC

How can you influence people if most people would think you were an idiot?

2017-05-24 07:53:39 UTC

Instead, if you argue for universal coverage, you bring people to the left, albeit subtly

2017-05-24 07:53:46 UTC

and then it is easier to argue from that vantage point

2017-05-24 07:53:51 UTC

Most people wouldn't think so if you explained your position like a rational human being and if you advocate for policies like single payer or free tuition.

2017-05-24 07:54:05 UTC

I would argue now more than ever is the right time to promote communism.

2017-05-24 07:54:12 UTC

People already are extremely distrustful of the mainstream media

2017-05-24 07:54:30 UTC

You know, that is true. But it should be done peacefully

2017-05-24 07:54:30 UTC

so if they already distrust the media, then it's easy to convince them that they've been lied to (they have been) by the bourgeois government.

2017-05-24 07:54:39 UTC

so that communists look better than the far right right now

2017-05-24 07:54:44 UTC

The capitalists are not peaceful

2017-05-24 07:54:46 UTC

who is also taking the opportunity to spread rhetoric

2017-05-24 07:54:51 UTC

they use the state apparatus to crush dissent.

2017-05-24 07:55:02 UTC

If ANTIFA went out to feed homeless, how many more supporters would they gain?

2017-05-24 07:55:03 UTC

They coerce people to sell their labor power to them.

2017-05-24 07:55:08 UTC

Night chat is best chat.

2017-05-24 07:55:09 UTC

Probably a lot.

2017-05-24 07:55:15 UTC

Then they should focus on that

2017-05-24 07:55:21 UTC

The thing about Antifa is that Antifa =/= all communists

2017-05-24 07:55:23 UTC

good PR

2017-05-24 07:55:25 UTC

they're mostly anarchists

2017-05-24 07:55:30 UTC

which, as you know, like to smash things.

2017-05-24 07:55:38 UTC

which looks bad for the left

2017-05-24 07:55:53 UTC

but yes, I agree that talking about communism should increase

2017-05-24 07:55:57 UTC

A Leninist party could present itself as better organized (we are) and smarter in how we agitate (we are).

2017-05-24 07:56:02 UTC

because it is in a blank state even on the internet

2017-05-24 07:56:27 UTC

the far right has has a choke hold on the internet right now

2017-05-24 07:56:40 UTC

in many, many areas

2017-05-24 07:56:45 UTC

and the rate their influence is expanding is concerning

2017-05-24 07:57:00 UTC

yet I see little to no counterattack from communists

2017-05-24 07:57:28 UTC

eh

2017-05-24 07:57:43 UTC

I mean, they have also suffered loses

2017-05-24 07:57:50 UTC

namely steve bannon getting fucked my kushner

2017-05-24 07:58:05 UTC

or their posterboy Richard Spencer being turned into a living meme.

2017-05-24 07:58:07 UTC

pretty hilarious tbh

2017-05-24 07:58:35 UTC

And we have the Jimmy Dore show, Agressive Progressive, TYT, RT America, Sane Progressive, etc. who are bringing people to the left more

2017-05-24 07:58:39 UTC

but we need more than that, I agree

2017-05-24 07:58:43 UTC

We need communists

2017-05-24 07:58:45 UTC

open in their views

2017-05-24 07:58:50 UTC

unashamed in their views

2017-05-24 07:59:06 UTC

loud, in the open, agitating for workers in the class struggle

2017-05-24 07:59:15 UTC

to quote marx

2017-05-24 07:59:46 UTC

I think America would be one of the harder areas for communism to grow

2017-05-24 07:59:55 UTC

Where is the party in opposition that has not been decried as communistic by its opponents in
power? Where is the opposition that has not hurled back the branding reproach of communism,
against the more advanced opposition parties, as well as against its reactionary adversaries?
Two things result from this fact:
I. Communism is already acknowledged by all European powers to be itself a
power.
II. It is high time that Communists should openly, in the face of the whole world,
publish their views, their aims, their tendencies, and meet this nursery tale of the
Spectre of Communism with a manifesto of the party itself.

2017-05-24 08:00:29 UTC

American culture really emphasizes moving up in the social order

2017-05-24 08:00:53 UTC

It also emphasizes freedom

2017-05-24 08:01:02 UTC

We could use that to our advantage.

2017-05-24 08:01:19 UTC

Highlight how socialism gives the individual infinitely more freedom than capitalism.

2017-05-24 08:01:19 UTC

Americans also really hate taxes

2017-05-24 08:01:41 UTC

In a socialist system there would be barely any, if any at all, income taxes for most people.

2017-05-24 08:02:12 UTC

Because profits, instead of going to one person at the top, is usually redistributed to fund the programs that workers would have to pay for in taxes under capitalism.

2017-05-24 08:02:14 UTC

That would be a point to be emphasized, because many Americans associate socialism with heavy taxation

2017-05-24 08:02:21 UTC

Exactly.

2017-05-24 08:02:32 UTC

Because many americans think socialism = the government funds/does stuff

2017-05-24 08:02:41 UTC

Cenk Uygurism

2017-05-24 08:02:47 UTC

Ancaps often talk about bureaucratic inefficiency in an extremely centralized state

2017-05-24 08:03:06 UTC

watch this it's funny

2017-05-24 08:03:08 UTC

Uphold Cenk Uygurist thought

2017-05-24 08:03:17 UTC

if you want to argue with them

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