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Ebin
West Asia could really use some gommunism right now
the whole world could
Yes
One could say that communism is much more appealing to non-industrialized nations, since communism is basically the hard way out of primary economy.
But West Asia and Africa specifically
Communism is most appealing to the agrarian societies and the highly automated ones, but not for the modern society that exists in between.
Afghanistan has huge economic potential
Which is why its occupied ๐
Lol
If England didn't have the Industrial Revolution at all, but some other country, England would have been commmunist / state communist at some point in history.
oof
thanks for pointing out the obvious
You're welcome
Send ankle
Communism will win though and then we'll all be winners
ok
sir
Yes
We shall all starve equally
Po @Tatoes
no no no no
REVISIONIST
Lol
IM CALLING HOXHA
Communism may win in the next 5000 years.
Hey hey hey
HEY
Yes
IM REVIVING HOXHA
Get Hoxha
FROM THE DEAD
Khrushchev era USSR was USSR at its peak
And Mao
PRAY TO BREZHNEV, STALINIST
And Stalin
Ewwww
Brezhnev
no
Shut up Kruschev
Brezhnev is a saint.
dumb idiot revisionist
Sexy eyebrows.
```I have no argument```
- Loser, 2018
`the only thing i know is that i know nothing`
Maybe I should
Move to Russia
- not gay reddit 2018
I have no Argument and I Must Talk
@Spookaswa yes.
Sovnarkhozy reform was objectively a good thing
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damn revisionist
brezhnev is based
Sovnarkhozy reform was objectively a good thing
but stalin is better
I would rather be exploited by daddy Putin than some neoliberal or neoconservative faggot
Brezhnev literally began the bringing-back of capitalism though ๐
false
kruschev did
like he literally was the one who did this
I mean, Putin isn't exactly too trad.
Kosygin Reform of 1965
Better than what we have in America though
Kosygin reform is western propaganda
lmao ๐
All the worst problems of Russia came from the neoliberal invasion of 1993
But for real
everyone after stalin
garbage
it was still socialism, but it had become market socialism at this point
America is so liberal it makes me sick to my large Amerimutt stomach
Market Socialism with exploitation
<:lol:521377935672737792>
real socialist bro
NEP should have survived.
Market Socialism is still socialism though, it is just an inferior form
Dab on you all
No, it has exploitation and capital
Planned Economy or bust
^
Change my mind
Planned economy for the win
ok so i was typing up some notes
against revisionism
and
titoism
semi planned economy ๐
"The problem with market socialism is that while its proposals would, taken at face value, do away with the bourgeois-proletariat class distinction, it doesn't do away with capital itself, or the profit motive, capital centralization, or fetishization of commodities that comes along with it - the most problematic outcomes of capitalism. Basically, everyone becomes a capitalist and arguably becomes subsumed even more thoroughly into the market/commodity paradigm. Competition, not cooperation, is still the rule. Therefore i would compare that to surplus extraction and the creation of profit. Simply putting a factory in the hands of the workers isn't enough to change its status as capital. If the factory is still run under the competitive dictates of the market, the law of value still impinges on the workers as an external force, alienating them, driving them to decrease socially necessary labor time and increase productivity. The capitalist is, as Marx said, simply capital personified. In a free market "socialist" society, the collective of workers is itself the "personification" of capital. Not only that, but under such conditions labor-power must be a commodity! For, if labor power isn't a commodity, then the market cannot be regulated by the law of value, it cannot exhibit the supposed rationality or allocative efficiency." - My notes on revisionism
i am a cuck
Free market planned economy
^
> No, it has exploitation and capital
Socialism = worker ownership of the means of production
This is principle is still realised in MarSoc, so it is still socialism because the workers do manage their means of production. So you can't call it "un-socialistic", but you **can** and should argue that it is fundamentally non-viable
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