Kosygin Reform of 1965

Better than what we have in America though

Kosygin reform is western propaganda

lmao 😄

All the worst problems of Russia came from the neoliberal invasion of 1993

But for real

everyone after stalin

garbage

it was still socialism, but it had become market socialism at this point

America is so liberal it makes me sick to my large Amerimutt stomach

Market Socialism with exploitation

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real socialist bro

NEP should have survived.

Market Socialism is still socialism though, it is just an inferior form

Dab on you all

No, it has exploitation and capital

Planned Economy or bust

^

Change my mind

Planned economy for the win

ok so i was typing up some notes

against revisionism

and

titoism

semi planned economy 👍

"The problem with market socialism is that while its proposals would, taken at face value, do away with the bourgeois-proletariat class distinction, it doesn't do away with capital itself, or the profit motive, capital centralization, or fetishization of commodities that comes along with it - the most problematic outcomes of capitalism. Basically, everyone becomes a capitalist and arguably becomes subsumed even more thoroughly into the market/commodity paradigm. Competition, not cooperation, is still the rule. Therefore i would compare that to surplus extraction and the creation of profit. Simply putting a factory in the hands of the workers isn't enough to change its status as capital. If the factory is still run under the competitive dictates of the market, the law of value still impinges on the workers as an external force, alienating them, driving them to decrease socially necessary labor time and increase productivity. The capitalist is, as Marx said, simply capital personified. In a free market "socialist" society, the collective of workers is itself the "personification" of capital. Not only that, but under such conditions labor-power must be a commodity! For, if labor power isn't a commodity, then the market cannot be regulated by the law of value, it cannot exhibit the supposed rationality or allocative efficiency." - My notes on revisionism

i am a cuck

Free market planned economy

^

> No, it has exploitation and capital

Socialism = worker ownership of the means of production

This is principle is still realised in MarSoc, so it is still socialism because the workers do manage their means of production. So you can't call it "un-socialistic", but you **can** and should argue that it is fundamentally non-viable

read it

tl;dr

It is socialism, but an inferior and unsustainable form

No, it is not socialism

TL;DR My communism is better than your communism

Therefore i would compare that to surplus extraction and the creation of profit. Simply putting a factory in the hands of the workers isn't enough to change its status as capital. If the factory is still run under the competitive dictates of the market, the law of value still impinges on the workers as an external force, alienating them, driving them to decrease socially necessary labor time and increase productivity. The capitalist is, as Marx said, simply capital personified. In a free market "socialist" society, the collective of workers is itself the "personification" of capital.

Socialism is inferior and unsustainable

Too bad that the word "socialism" was first invented and developed by people other than the guys you cite, so I'm afraid you can't own the label @Loser

Capitalism is inferior and unsustainable

RIGHT 👏 WING 👏 LIBERALISM