the leftist parties here in Spain are suing VOX for "going against the constitution" for being fascists, they're not fucking fascists...

Liberals don't have that American conservative mindset of powering through

I hope they win

Gillotine style

@Xinyue didn't y'all recently ban your "far right" party?

>but in Finland, its the other way around. the centre and the ultra-right has been gaining ground almost with no input from the left. the old left, the kind of left I think is actual left, has evaporated from what once was a pretty eminent place in Finnish politics. SKDL/FDPL was one of the largest communist alliances outside Soviet bloc in Europe, which was a force in government pretty much nonstop 1945-1991 and now its totally gone

this was my point from earlier though, I genuinely don't thnk socialism can be revived anymore, same for fascism, you only have liberal forms of it

even Sweden doesn't do that

Liberalism destroyed Socialism, and both Socialism and Liberalism destroyed nationalism

Politics are a joke in Holland.

you only hve liberalised parasite forms of it

yeah the problem with the leftoids is that they call everything fascism, I've been called a fascist, my comrades have been called fascist, etc. however, there is some truth to their analysis of fascism and how it relates to the rest of the right, its simply that they take far too accusatory a line when it comes to identifying these in social relations

The fakeness is just so obvious.

>politics are a joke in holland

you're not a country, you're our catholic bitch

we will turn you catholic again

o.o

the left has been going downhill for some time imo

Europeans lack the drive that Americans possess

everything below me is gay

>everything above me is authoritarian fascims

Americans can actually change things through politics because of their drive

fam....

Europeans are just low energy

Y'all call Merkel Right Wing in Europe so i don't even know anymore what you mean by Left

LUL

^^^^

omg....

this

so

fucking

much

> this was my point from earlier though, I genuinely don't think socialism can be revived anymore, same for fascism, you only have liberal forms of it

You say that, but I think that there's just been a general lull in socialist movements, in large part due to the dissolution of USSR. this was a huge event for the world socialist movement, something that sent us in a downwards spiral. But, we can make a comeback - in some sense, Bolivarian Revolution which itself took place years after the USSR's dissolution, showed us the way - despite all the failures

our right wing party is more liberal than america's liberal party

it's so fucking incredible

we all agree that liberalism needs to die

Spain is okay, they didn't get in alot of foreign immigrants

yeah liberalism needs to go and die, preferably someplace uncomfortable

like literally, Finland banned their so called far right party but apparently far right is on the rise

Liberalism is mainstream throughout the west

It wont die

>You say that, but I think that there's just been a general lull in socialist movements, in large part due to the dissolution of USSR.

yeah i can agree.... but the people who have spat in the face of the USSR i think is just astounding, mostly Stalin. I'd support any revolutionary movement tbh

Liberalism as a position i can actually respect

unlike commies

Spain currently accepts the most foreign immigrants

there is some sense to it

there is no virtue to liberalism

Well then Spain is going downhill

>well then spain is going downhill

PSOE is dying, they're the status quo, as is PP, Spain is not going downhill

@aymem so even far left parties in spain are constitutionalist? that's pretty sad dude

why tf did Spanish vote for Podemos y'all know left is so messed up rn 😩

our far left party would be PODEMOS, and yeah

Taking in foreign immigrants means destroying your peoples own identity

>but the people who have spat in the face of the USSR i think is just astounding

there's a movement, perhaps mostly on /leftypol/ at this stage, which resists this tendency. I'd say most in that clique have managed to hit that sweet spot of critical support for Soviet style politics, although there exits the usual uncritical variety as well which is generally not good and usually leads to further failures down the road

>leftypol

lmao

@Xinyue and i use the political spectrum in the liberal version btw, i know they're not left wing by your definition

I was talking about /leftypol/ so wp 😄

The Spanish Socialist Workers Party or PSOE certainly does not deserve the name it operates under

There is no hope for Europe as long as the elite remains in place

Barcelona treaty 1995

it is neither socialist, nor for workers

do you think Spain will deport all the migrants?

@Xinyue oh my fucking god, they're called the socialist party, and anybody who supports PSOE is a socialist, and Podemos is called the communist party

it's so fucking mindboggling

@AdorableStormtrooper no, not even VOX would

Europe will never deport

PSOE is basically just another socdem party

No western country will deport ever

how it gets pegged as socialist is beyond me

>basically

it IS

Unless it's illegals

But those aren't the problem

it is the socdem party

but our right wing parties are also socdem

the only difference is that the right wing party has a huge christian base because they pretend to care about christians

even Podemos is pretty socdem

and the left wing with feminism and equality and the nordic fucking retarded model

all of our parties are identical

there is no difference to them

how are the Invaders in Spain coming through the Ceuta Wall not illegals 😩

this is liberal democracy in action

like sure PSUV and the Bolivarian Revolution was kind of lazy with the whole socialism thing, but at least you can see their theory being explicitly socialist and their programs moving towards that etc. With PSOE - and I did read the platform - its literally just some weird thing about online equality or some shit? I was reading a google translation of the spanish original text

@AdorableStormtrooper they are, but we give them free healthcare and a place to stay while we face our crippling economy and shitty unemployment rate

I was dumbstruck and in disbelief

I just find it incredible people believe their bullshit

also pedro sanchez is not white

😎

https://youtu.be/stR5nWkq3LU

further, the term "means of production" ***aren't even mentioned in the fucking platform***

like no mention of it

none

people legitimately voted for him because he was hot

i'm not kidding

@Xinyue it's bourgeois leftism, nothing new
this is the result of leftism having been overintellectualized by people like sartre and debord

Spanish Trudeau

> *people*

pretty much actually

lul

@Xinyue they used to apparently be socialist (don't buy it)

and btw - the lack of mention of MOP is *pretty low bar even for social democracy, which is still supposed to give a shit about social ownership to some degree*

like