Your vote has no impact because you live in a bourgois democracy

Hey captains

it is undermined at every turn

being relatively poor isn't always a negative

the only way to achieve true power or meaning for your vote is socialism

having more material wealth isn't always positive

Socialism has bourgeois too

The socialist party

That rules the state

No, my vote has no impact because I'm one person and there are tens of thousands of voters

which, of course, expands democracy and the power of the electorate into a system that runs through society in a multi-tiered fashion

One voter is worthless

Democracy empowers the masses against individuals

one voter in a worker-cooperative is a crucial element, or, indeed, in the commune

The masses want liberalism, feminism, and demographic replacement so the rest of us must live with it.

And fascism empowers the state against the masses, capitalism empowers the capitalist against the workers, etc. Its not like the other alternatives are that much better. True liberty and sovereignty can only be realised in the working masses which exercise their sovereign power via the workers' councils.

@Xinyue is there a Nation in your system?

Democracy is just a tool for enacting policy. Nothing more

Nations do exist, yes, but they are realised as autonomous republics within a greater international federation. They could have their own laws, national guards, parliaments, etc. As we see with many federations today @AdorableStormtrooper

Don't fuck with me

I've got the power of God AND anime on my side

You've lost sight of what matters. What matters is not feeling like you have a voice or that you're equal or that everyone is a team. What matters is the survival and prosperity of you and your kind.

@Xinyue So there are National Elections not just Coop elections then... Snakes point holds then on Democracy

If democracy results in worse policies, it's bad.

Democratic power in and of itself is not valuble

yes, the results actually do matter, not just the philosophy sounding good in the abstract

Yes, there would be national elections, elections in coops, elections in coop federations, etc. All voluntary of course. It would be a multi-tiered democratic system, and one could choose work at a level that they think is most meaningful for them. I think coop elections would become most popular personally.

Voluntary? Give me a break. None of this is voluntary

Voting would be voluntary

You're not allowed to own private property

not sure why you posit this is not so

Yes, you wouldn't be allowed to own private property. But this has no bearing on voting

is syndicalism a heresy to you

odd point

I cant sell another guy who wants something and is willing to pay me what he wants

And there would be social property so its not like property ceases to exist

WHAT IF compulsory voting was put into place

what is thats gay

Boom

compulsory voting is gay

It's actually really good

@Xinyue oh man we agreed

Blank votes are actually gay

I rebel against this system by casting a blank vote

lol

Or not voting at all

such rebellion, much vicious

If my son is sick and the public health system provided by the socialist state is unable to treat him better than a private group, but that group charges a fee for their quality medicine/care, if I can afford it, I should be able to buy the care.

Compulsory voting is the solution to all our problems

no it isn't

Templar wtf

Finally we'll have some real political showdowns then

go away

😄

Wow.

smile

So called socialist

Egalitarian

I am now in a situation where the socialist state is telling me that I can't buy better care for my son

@Nikitis shut up and eat your beef

*eats beef*

gud boi

Why? Because it's not FAIR

You wouldn't find yourself from a situation where you'd be buying anything in a socialist state, unless its MarSoc @Deleted User

Socialism for America. Fuck yeah.

Exactly I said "I can't buy"

Socialism for America. Yes. Compulsory voting for America? No.

Let in the black blocs into the white house.

@Xinyue how would work be more meaningful in co op?

At that moment, I would curse socialism and wish I was in another country where I could buy that care

It will cost me my son, my own flesh and blood, even though I could have paid for it

So what about the gay agenda that's obviously been going on, homosexuals in the government tons of em

Sounds pretty gay

Is it still bad to do gay stuff if it is gathering intelligence for a country

So tell me, why can't a father and a private organization make a deal that would save the father's sick son?

@AdorableStormtrooper you would be, first of all, an equal owner of the social property that is the coop. Secondly, that equal ownership would make you a co-owner with your coworkers - the first stage of alienation from the coworker demolished. Thirdly, you'd have the power to vote on the policy of the coop, what to produce, what projects and partnerships to pursue, etc. etc. alongside your coworkers. Not only does this represent the second and complete stage of demolishing the alienation from the coworker, but it also represents the demolition of the alienation from the objective of labour. And finally, you will equally share in the prosperity that was jointly created, meaning that you also get to demolish the alienation from the fruits of your labour.

You and your coworkers cease to be cogs in a machine not under your own control, and transform into an organic unit of unalienated, creative and productive labour. A self-contained, constructive unit of society, imbued with its own consensus-based collective will among equals.

It seems pretty meaningful to me.

The US was socialist in the beginning

It didn't work

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@Xinyue why can't the man do business with the private organization? He wants the service, they want something in exchange, like money or something valuble, like a car.

Because socialism goes above all else

Both parties are willing to trade and want to

It's not allowed snake

We don't do that shit in a socialist society

Just get in line

Because the state says my son should die for socialism

And wait for your turn

Everyone is equal

In a socialist society

Don't think you're special

Bullshit is everybody equal

The people at the top will always get more than the people at the bottom

Ssshh

You're not supposed to say that

We have to keep the workers dream alive

lol

@Deleted User Because we are entering an age where private enterprise is neither necessary anymore, and more importantly not desirable. Why would you do business on the premise of private capital, when you could expand social property to encompass all of society and make it accessible on an equal basis? Let human creativity and productivity truly flourish. Cut away the obstructions that hold back human potential. Not everyone will reach the peak, but those who can will reach further than ever before.

@Xinyue Will Islam be the dominant state religion in your socialist society

no

fuck islam