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2018-12-24 06:35:19 UTC

its a trap

2018-12-24 06:35:21 UTC

T R A P

2018-12-24 06:35:23 UTC

Jk

2018-12-24 06:35:26 UTC

I'm a boy

2018-12-24 06:35:29 UTC

i told you

2018-12-24 06:35:31 UTC

<:30yoboomer:521380551316209668> <:brainlet:508484031625691156>

2018-12-24 06:35:37 UTC

<:everyone:508484033714585642> <:ree:520000441036046336>

2018-12-24 06:36:14 UTC

I fap

2018-12-24 06:36:16 UTC

Goodnite

2018-12-24 06:36:45 UTC

<:virgin:508484108956073994>

2018-12-24 06:50:50 UTC

2018-12-24 07:07:05 UTC

we found the secret to converting liberals

2018-12-24 07:11:47 UTC

๐Ÿค”

2018-12-24 07:38:20 UTC

@Deleted User nigga I see you

2018-12-24 07:38:38 UTC

you cant hide from me

2018-12-24 07:38:43 UTC

cuckold

2018-12-24 07:38:53 UTC

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2018-12-24 07:39:03 UTC

Interesting

2018-12-24 07:39:53 UTC

shiet nigga

2018-12-24 08:09:40 UTC

2018-12-24 08:09:49 UTC

2018-12-24 08:09:53 UTC

wassup hombres

2018-12-24 08:10:21 UTC

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2018-12-24 08:14:37 UTC

Thank god for capitalism

2018-12-24 08:16:52 UTC

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/507035890640486411/526674613334441984/1535341342023.jpg

2018-12-24 08:31:04 UTC

so you're saying

2018-12-24 08:31:05 UTC

like

2018-12-24 08:31:09 UTC

you're anti freedom

2018-12-24 08:31:12 UTC

n shieet?

2018-12-24 08:37:56 UTC

The west really saved itself.

2018-12-24 08:38:03 UTC

Britain and America did a lot of the work

2018-12-24 08:38:14 UTC

Whilst Canada also had 200,000 overseas soldiers

2018-12-24 08:38:26 UTC

And 1mil more at home.

2018-12-24 08:55:41 UTC

America First

2018-12-24 08:55:43 UTC

America Only

2018-12-24 09:08:22 UTC

America First in number of obese people*

2018-12-24 09:10:33 UTC

America is diverse

2018-12-24 09:10:58 UTC

Diverse in the nature of their obesity.

2018-12-24 09:11:28 UTC

Some get it from gobbling McDonalds, some - from Burger King or Wendy's.

2018-12-24 09:13:03 UTC

all these diverse brands

2018-12-24 09:13:08 UTC

selling the same crap

2018-12-24 09:13:37 UTC

how can that be, I thought competition eliminates these kinds of behaviors

2018-12-24 09:14:54 UTC

America is a land devoid of culture.
And if you don't have any culture, the only culture you will have is the culture of consumerism.

2018-12-24 09:15:37 UTC

so you mean when you say America First, it actually means diversity first?

2018-12-24 09:16:15 UTC

culture vacuum first

2018-12-24 09:16:36 UTC

Diversity may still be an amalgamation of cultures. America is lack of any real diversity.

2018-12-24 09:16:43 UTC

They fail even at that.

2018-12-24 09:19:33 UTC

can one make an argument that secularism took the next step and made a separation of the culture and the state

2018-12-24 09:24:52 UTC

You could, although I'd say the root of the problem came much earlier than that. The "American Dream" itself is, after all, a consumerist ideal, where you better yourself through having more stuff than through any ideological/moral change.

2018-12-24 09:25:58 UTC

isn't the American dream centered around the family unit being the one that consumes rather than the individual

2018-12-24 09:27:09 UTC

or was the American dream just a romantization of days gone by, replaced by mindless consumerism

2018-12-24 09:29:05 UTC

the dream itself just assumed you were of good moral character if u had the family

2018-12-24 09:30:26 UTC

Not sure about the last part. In the modern and XXth century terms it meant equal opportunity and strive for material good.

2018-12-24 09:34:35 UTC

going by wiki definition of the american dream it states all this nonsense about equal rights for all, democracy, etc.
But I do quite vividly remember how it was advertised, presenting the nuclear family as a lead example of successful American dream.

2018-12-24 09:37:26 UTC

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2018-12-24 09:41:36 UTC

America was a Mistake.

2018-12-24 09:41:50 UTC

Death to America

2018-12-24 09:41:52 UTC

That does sound different in a good way to how I remembered it. I would say that the "man and woman" part simply distinguishes that each gender may attain said dream, no word about the family unit.

2018-12-24 09:42:13 UTC

But yeah, it was corrupted, just like everything Am*rica produced.

2018-12-24 09:44:12 UTC

I guess I failed to see the appeals to ego behind it all, I only saw the family being a family. Man the provider and the woman a housewife. What I didn't see is that they also lived in a spacious house, had a good car, backyard pool as well as plentiful feasts.

2018-12-24 09:45:50 UTC

a lesser character would chase the material dream

2018-12-24 09:48:25 UTC

America is 99% lesser characters though.
Not to assume, but I didn't see anything about family, at least from the text excerpt you provided (which seems to be the original text that coined the phrase), which makes it almost egalitarian. What you said about the family values may be your wishful thinking to see this "American Dream" as something better than it is.

2018-12-24 09:49:15 UTC

I'm not talking about how the scholars defined it, I'm talking about how it was advertised and presented to the regular people of the US as well as non-americans

2018-12-24 09:51:27 UTC

>u can raise ur children in comfort and safety

2018-12-24 09:52:30 UTC

do u see what I'm getting at

2018-12-24 09:52:57 UTC

America paved the way for destruction of Nation States in Europe..
normalized multi ethnic multi Cultural societies in Western Europe, plus gave home to Russian Jews in their academia

2018-12-24 09:53:14 UTC

all of this was imported to Europe eventually

2018-12-24 09:53:51 UTC

even now the attempt with EU, is to create a United States of Europe.. a cultureless rootless global empire of capitalism

2018-12-24 09:55:13 UTC

from my view it's an illegitimate country built on false principles

2018-12-24 09:55:16 UTC

oh this vid also makes me realize how the boomers got played during the cold war.

2018-12-24 09:55:22 UTC

Well James Adams is a freelance writer rather than a scholar. As for the regular people, you can see that the advertisements and products have reduced their society to materialism early on.

The artistic movement of Pop-Art, for instance, in late 1950s was a response exactly to the type of society America was becoming; a soulless, consumerist nation. If these ideals you present were ever in place, they weren't around untainted for long.

2018-12-24 09:56:05 UTC

America ruined Christmas ๐Ÿ˜ก

2018-12-24 09:56:14 UTC

The undercurrent of soulless corporatism and mindless consumerism was always there, simply hidden by "the family values", which was an excuse for more consumption.

2018-12-24 09:56:34 UTC

obviously the material and the ads are littered with materialism and consumerism. what I'm trying to show you how they used the nuclear family model to sell it

2018-12-24 09:57:04 UTC

church and family was the community in America right

2018-12-24 09:57:07 UTC

Oh yeah, without a doubt.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/507035890640486411/526699840051085314/Z.png

2018-12-24 09:57:28 UTC

after the 60s, it was all individualized with the evaporation of Christianity

2018-12-24 09:57:38 UTC

Church and family was just a parody of a community in America

2018-12-24 09:57:59 UTC

communities got destroyed by white flight

2018-12-24 09:58:14 UTC

And with the Satanic Panic happening in late 80s you can't say these things happened after the 60s.

2018-12-24 09:58:17 UTC

that came after wards

2018-12-24 09:58:21 UTC

if there was a community

2018-12-24 09:58:29 UTC

people would've fought

2018-12-24 09:58:32 UTC

not run away

2018-12-24 09:58:38 UTC

that came after the civil rights

2018-12-24 09:58:44 UTC

I'm not saying thats an American problem either

2018-12-24 09:58:54 UTC

it's like that in a lot of other places

2018-12-24 09:59:36 UTC

Their church community is a part of the problem. Catholicism ensured a parody of Christianity, letting it erode much quicker.

2018-12-24 09:59:59 UTC

That's why Orthodox churches in Alaska still have a good community.

2018-12-24 10:00:06 UTC

judeo-christian the term was literally a subversion

2018-12-24 10:00:16 UTC

"Satanic Panic" was Middle America going WTF looking at their country.. its an obvious reaction to all the messed up stuff that was going on...

people wanted some order desperately

2018-12-24 10:00:45 UTC

it is what happens when you advertise a complete freedom of thought

2018-12-24 10:01:22 UTC

Satanic Panic was some cucks listening to Sabaton and saying it's the Satan's music. It was a parody of all that Christianity stood for, turning the Christian movement into a caricature @AdorableStormtrooper

2018-12-24 10:01:46 UTC

tbh a lot of metal bands are indeed satanists

2018-12-24 10:01:59 UTC

they were not wrong to panic

2018-12-24 10:02:11 UTC

as well as the people that listen to it

2018-12-24 10:02:22 UTC

just thinking about what was going on at that time..80s music, all the hippie stuff, Miscegenation stuff, Abortion began to be legalized, the pill had gone mainstream, drugs, disco culture, raves, and all of this being normalized in celebrity culture

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