Message from @Bird Wizard

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2018-12-24 08:14:37 UTC  

Thank god for capitalism

2018-12-24 08:16:52 UTC  

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2018-12-24 08:31:04 UTC  

so you're saying

2018-12-24 08:31:05 UTC  

like

2018-12-24 08:31:09 UTC  

you're anti freedom

2018-12-24 08:31:12 UTC  

n shieet?

2018-12-24 08:37:56 UTC  

The west really saved itself.

2018-12-24 08:38:03 UTC  

Britain and America did a lot of the work

2018-12-24 08:38:14 UTC  

Whilst Canada also had 200,000 overseas soldiers

2018-12-24 08:38:26 UTC  

And 1mil more at home.

2018-12-24 08:55:41 UTC  

America First

2018-12-24 08:55:43 UTC  

America Only

2018-12-24 09:08:22 UTC  

America First in number of obese people*

2018-12-24 09:10:33 UTC  

America is diverse

2018-12-24 09:10:58 UTC  

Diverse in the nature of their obesity.

2018-12-24 09:11:28 UTC  

Some get it from gobbling McDonalds, some - from Burger King or Wendy's.

2018-12-24 09:13:03 UTC  

all these diverse brands

2018-12-24 09:13:08 UTC  

selling the same crap

2018-12-24 09:13:37 UTC  

how can that be, I thought competition eliminates these kinds of behaviors

2018-12-24 09:14:54 UTC  

America is a land devoid of culture.
And if you don't have any culture, the only culture you will have is the culture of consumerism.

2018-12-24 09:15:37 UTC  

so you mean when you say America First, it actually means diversity first?

2018-12-24 09:16:15 UTC  

culture vacuum first

2018-12-24 09:16:36 UTC  

Diversity may still be an amalgamation of cultures. America is lack of any real diversity.

2018-12-24 09:16:43 UTC  

They fail even at that.

2018-12-24 09:19:33 UTC  

can one make an argument that secularism took the next step and made a separation of the culture and the state

2018-12-24 09:24:52 UTC  

You could, although I'd say the root of the problem came much earlier than that. The "American Dream" itself is, after all, a consumerist ideal, where you better yourself through having more stuff than through any ideological/moral change.

2018-12-24 09:25:58 UTC  

isn't the American dream centered around the family unit being the one that consumes rather than the individual

2018-12-24 09:27:09 UTC  

or was the American dream just a romantization of days gone by, replaced by mindless consumerism

2018-12-24 09:29:05 UTC  

the dream itself just assumed you were of good moral character if u had the family

2018-12-24 09:30:26 UTC  

Not sure about the last part. In the modern and XXth century terms it meant equal opportunity and strive for material good.

2018-12-24 09:34:35 UTC  

going by wiki definition of the american dream it states all this nonsense about equal rights for all, democracy, etc.
But I do quite vividly remember how it was advertised, presenting the nuclear family as a lead example of successful American dream.

2018-12-24 09:37:26 UTC  

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2018-12-24 09:41:36 UTC  

America was a Mistake.

2018-12-24 09:41:50 UTC  

Death to America

2018-12-24 09:41:52 UTC  

That does sound different in a good way to how I remembered it. I would say that the "man and woman" part simply distinguishes that each gender may attain said dream, no word about the family unit.

2018-12-24 09:42:13 UTC  

But yeah, it was corrupted, just like everything Am*rica produced.

2018-12-24 09:44:12 UTC  

I guess I failed to see the appeals to ego behind it all, I only saw the family being a family. Man the provider and the woman a housewife. What I didn't see is that they also lived in a spacious house, had a good car, backyard pool as well as plentiful feasts.

2018-12-24 09:45:50 UTC  

a lesser character would chase the material dream

2018-12-24 09:48:25 UTC  

America is 99% lesser characters though.
Not to assume, but I didn't see anything about family, at least from the text excerpt you provided (which seems to be the original text that coined the phrase), which makes it almost egalitarian. What you said about the family values may be your wishful thinking to see this "American Dream" as something better than it is.

2018-12-24 09:49:15 UTC  

I'm not talking about how the scholars defined it, I'm talking about how it was advertised and presented to the regular people of the US as well as non-americans