Message from @Kazimir Malevich
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so you're saying
like
you're anti freedom
n shieet?
The west really saved itself.
Britain and America did a lot of the work
Whilst Canada also had 200,000 overseas soldiers
And 1mil more at home.
America First
America Only
America First in number of obese people*
America is diverse
Diverse in the nature of their obesity.
Some get it from gobbling McDonalds, some - from Burger King or Wendy's.
all these diverse brands
selling the same crap
how can that be, I thought competition eliminates these kinds of behaviors
America is a land devoid of culture.
And if you don't have any culture, the only culture you will have is the culture of consumerism.
so you mean when you say America First, it actually means diversity first?
culture vacuum first
They fail even at that.
can one make an argument that secularism took the next step and made a separation of the culture and the state
You could, although I'd say the root of the problem came much earlier than that. The "American Dream" itself is, after all, a consumerist ideal, where you better yourself through having more stuff than through any ideological/moral change.
isn't the American dream centered around the family unit being the one that consumes rather than the individual
or was the American dream just a romantization of days gone by, replaced by mindless consumerism
the dream itself just assumed you were of good moral character if u had the family
Not sure about the last part. In the modern and XXth century terms it meant equal opportunity and strive for material good.
going by wiki definition of the american dream it states all this nonsense about equal rights for all, democracy, etc.
But I do quite vividly remember how it was advertised, presenting the nuclear family as a lead example of successful American dream.
America was a Mistake.
Death to America
That does sound different in a good way to how I remembered it. I would say that the "man and woman" part simply distinguishes that each gender may attain said dream, no word about the family unit.
But yeah, it was corrupted, just like everything Am*rica produced.
I guess I failed to see the appeals to ego behind it all, I only saw the family being a family. Man the provider and the woman a housewife. What I didn't see is that they also lived in a spacious house, had a good car, backyard pool as well as plentiful feasts.
a lesser character would chase the material dream
America is 99% lesser characters though.
Not to assume, but I didn't see anything about family, at least from the text excerpt you provided (which seems to be the original text that coined the phrase), which makes it almost egalitarian. What you said about the family values may be your wishful thinking to see this "American Dream" as something better than it is.
I'm not talking about how the scholars defined it, I'm talking about how it was advertised and presented to the regular people of the US as well as non-americans
>u can raise ur children in comfort and safety
do u see what I'm getting at