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hey whatsup

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=360l3LlMaTY


don't give up folks. Strong message here

Can anyone tell me, what is a man?

can you tell us?

A man is a male human being, and has an individual nature. A man is the representative of God on earth as he was created in God's image.

does having an individual nature not clash with being a representative of God?

Is God an individual?

i'm not sure. it's your god we're discussing here. you seem to know more than i do

Interesting

What is a man folks?

i've already asked if you can tell us - it's you using the word here. granted, it's pretty common for people to have personal abstractions of "Man" so you can fire that out there as a semantic blank and have people fill in the gaps with their own definitions, which you can deal with a number of ways

I can’t tell you. I asked the question to hear from everyone, not for everyone to hear from me.

a man is a male adult.

i'm more curious about the question than people's answers. that's why i asked. i guess we'll both wait to hear from the others before we get our answers

The only reason I haven’t answered is because I don’t want people to piggy back on my answer. The question is simple. What is a man? Don’t be shy

i'm not shy, but i didn't use the word and i rarely use it. i'll define it when i do though - and the reason i asked you is exactly because i suspected you asked in the first place just so you could piggy back on someone else's answer for whatever reason

there are people out there that do that, you know!

Ok let me know when you figure it out lol.

i'm not opting in to this one, but seeing as you had to go there, i'll be keeping my eye on how you deal with this definition of "Man" when you're talking to others

That’s fine

🤔 This is weird I guess some people are scared to define what a man is?

🤷‍♂️ Confused, scared, unsure, self-conscious who knows. No one is going to get ridiculed or criticized for their answer.

what yall talking about

yall tallking about mans

Yessir

Question: what is a man?

a dude that does what is right and loves it. bases everything he does off of what is right. In turn makes him logically, and allows his decisions to be moral.

sorry I am in and out, I am at work atm

logical*^

it's not that i can't or am scared to define it lol. it's funny that you've both jumped on that instant conclusion. i don't want to define it for a few reasons and... i can promise you fear isn't one of them

its okay bud, some ppl are growers not showers

hahhahahaha

haha

so how yall doing now?

who all here has kids?

how did yall run up on jlp?

no kids over here. don't want them either. as for jlp, he got thrown up on my recommended videos list on yt. i think it was a compilation of him or something.

ah yeah that's right... i caught his talk with gavin mcinnes, and wished it was longer

Nice, csquare you took the words out of my mouth lol. I’ll add that men that love what is right have that natural integrity to guide them. That force that we call god/godliness.

kids? yikes, am i the youngest person in this group?

i found jlp on twitter, though i've only just recently began to be an avid watcher. i have some mixed views on the guy. i just think he's funny.

same here, narratory, with the occasional show of respectable values and intelligence

i do agree on a lot of what he says though. i guess it's just his execution that bothers me.

occasional.

that's true, anomie!

he's not the only peterson i've got my eye on at the moment. jordan peterson's on my radar these days. i'm unsure about him too, but he's gaining a lot of influence

Another snippet: a man has no problem recognizing the higher power that influences them. Naturally a man loves god.

has jesse had jordan peterson on the show? i reckon they'd both get on pretty well

Jordan Peterson is a interesting guy. I’ve read his books, very good stuff.

@PastPresentFuture can an atheist or agnostic be a man?

ah, nice. i have one of his books coming

When I took my first IQ test I looked him up to see what his degrees of intelligence lecture meant

honestly, i don't see what God has to do with being a man.

@csquare I don’t have any kids, once I marry my girlfriend we plan on popping them out like popcorn though. I found Jesse through his fallen state interview with the two black lives matter people. At first I thought he was just a funny guy that trolled the left but i analyzed his message and I can resonate with it. The thing I respect the most about Jesse is that e teaches and preaches for folks to focus on themselves; to know yourself to overcome your struggles and let go of anger via forgiveness.

@Anomie no

i automatically have to accept god to be rebuilt as a man, according to you and jesse?

@4rthur i wouldn’t be able to show you or explain it so... 😬

i assume there are many men out there who'd love jesse's help, but at the same time are put off by the religious aspects that come along with it

are we talking the God Christians believe or must it be inclusive of other religions?

is it not possible to "rebuild the man" from the ground up, morals and value systems, motivations, life-goals, everything, without having to impose religious belief?

@Anomie no, it’s a natural thing. It happens at a level that you aren’t aware of but is realized later on. And that’s according to me, not Jesse.

hm. alright

I don’t believe in the indoctrination of religion or forcing it upon people

People can’t be brought to god they have to come to him.

what if they don't? are they not a man? are they evil?

Most churches and religious organizations mess their congregation up by trying to “lead a horse to water who doesn’t want to drink.”

that's true

If they don’t then they will live missing that link and wholeness in their life. It’s a different experience with each person I’d say. And if people don’t want to come to god and are comfortable where they are, that’s fine too.

I won’t think less of them for it.

but they can't be a man?

some might say that's thinking less of them for it

No, they can pretend to be a man but the holes and their hunger for wholeness is still there. That doesn’t mean I think less of a person for it, I know they’re doing the best they can. If they want help and I can help them then great. I’ll show them love regardless.

i hope, when you do start to help someone or if someone confides in you, they don't feel any judgment off the back of that. i hope they'll be ignorant of the fact that you live by this distinction, because, if they are sincere with their will to change but at the same time they don't want to or just can't accept god sincerely yet, then you might still be able to help them. if they get a whiff of judgment or being categorised or up against the silent knowledge that, if they haven't accepted some religious doctrine, then they're not really "one" with you, it can be so much more difficult to be effective

you have to understand that a lot of people will struggle with that aspect of things - just as you struggle with it too, i imagine, because it seems to be a central point here. but just as having your beliefs might alienate you from certain groups, you have to know that not having your beliefs inherently alienates others from you. that's the kind of thing people pick up on when you get into serious communication with them

You must have not seen where I mentioned earlier that I don’t agree with how mainstream religions and religious organizations try to force their ideology on people. I said that it messes people up. I don’t just say these things randomly, this is all based on my experiences and struggles with religion, churches, god, etc. I remember how I was, I can see myself in other people as well, I know that a lot of young men like me hated the idea of religion and god and tried to oppose it and debate it at any chance I could. The best way that I can help people is how I helped myself. If you think I am the Bible thumping type you’re mistaken, I don’t even read the Bible.

Thanks though lol

unfortunately, you don't need to say it outright. it's the implications of your definition of man, and how nobody who doesn't accept god can not be that. they can't be a man or even live like a man without god, according to you - they can only pretend to be a man

Lol

I’m glad you said that

me too, because this part confuses me

The thing is, a man doesn’t need help.

lol

i'm glad you said that

speak on it, please

A man doesn’t seek out help to be a man. So why would I expect them to be a man? I made a comment earlier that a man accepts god at a spiritual level that most of us are unaware of happening* (at least for me, I wasn’t aware until after waking up that I had that connection to god) what I’m saying here is that I won’t even have to drill someone on accepting god in this manner, it will happen naturally.

why do we have discussions like this in the first place?

Good question csquare I like it

I like to have them to make folks think and reflect

it is almost the only time I am ever physically interested in having a conversation any more IRL

It’s engaging

i like them because we learn from each other, when we're both open to it. communication that isn't just empty is one of the main things i enjoy on this planet

kinda helps to stretch out and grow your own

so fellowshipping is good thing

Yes, fellowshipping is a good way to put it

@PastPresentFuture do you follow the idea that a man who isn't a man is a woman, and hence, an evil person?

Mmmm no.

alright cool. that's one thing i haven't been able to wrap my head around so far, not for a lack of understanding

I know you didnt ask me but I would say that thing that is suppose to be a man that aint. He is capable of evil.

Yup

If you are a male and have anger you are a beta.