Message from @Nerthulas

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2019-11-02 15:54:51 UTC  

it doesn't budge is/ought

2019-11-02 15:55:13 UTC  

something being explained is not the same as something being justified

2019-11-02 15:55:21 UTC  

Well, if you don’t believe in moral realism, that would be the case.

2019-11-02 15:56:21 UTC  

Like I understand what you’re saying. I even recommended you a book on it. I disagree though.

2019-11-02 15:56:31 UTC  

well independently of what your position on moral realism vs non realism is, an explanation is not the same thing as a justification - that I can find an evolutionary basis for a behavior does not imply that that behavior is metaphysically good or whatever

2019-11-02 15:56:44 UTC  

there is no room for disagreement

2019-11-02 15:56:45 UTC  

lol

2019-11-02 15:57:20 UTC  

So you don’t think I can justify my position?

2019-11-02 15:57:29 UTC  

absolutely not 😂

2019-11-02 15:57:49 UTC  

frankly I like christians who claim revelation more than christians who engage in apologetics

2019-11-02 15:58:10 UTC  

I don’t know if this convo can move forward.

2019-11-02 15:58:19 UTC  

🤷🏻

2019-11-02 15:58:24 UTC  

Throw holy water on him

2019-11-02 15:58:25 UTC  

He will burn

2019-11-02 15:58:27 UTC  

anything you could do would be purely linguistic

2019-11-02 15:58:32 UTC  

a trick with definitions

2019-11-02 15:58:32 UTC  

@Nerthulas Is correct, Pathos exist, and Christianity already knew that.

2019-11-02 15:58:59 UTC  

@iippo I’m not Catholic....

2019-11-02 15:59:15 UTC  

@Nerthulas errrr no?

2019-11-02 15:59:26 UTC  

ok, give it to me then...

2019-11-02 15:59:42 UTC  

I'll show you where the difference in definitions causes the breakdown

2019-11-02 15:59:43 UTC  

Well, I think morality is based off group strategy.

2019-11-02 16:00:04 UTC  

We can measure roughly success and judge that as moral or not.

2019-11-02 16:00:52 UTC  

speculating about what moral systems are the most evolutionarily advantageous, or what the evolutionary basis of moral systems are, is not a solution to is/ought, it does not even engage with it

2019-11-02 16:01:41 UTC  

So you think something needs to be GROUNDED to be objective?

2019-11-02 16:02:45 UTC  

idk exactly what you mean by grounded, but unless you solve is/ought, your preference is an animal preference caused by the series of events which led to your life, and is a natural phenomenon, not a metaphysical one

2019-11-02 16:03:03 UTC  

So, grounded is something enforcing or justifying it.

2019-11-02 16:03:30 UTC  

BASEDDDDDDD

2019-11-02 16:03:32 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/634367565304561675/640219450901135362/LadyMagas.mp4

2019-11-02 16:03:37 UTC  

Oml

2019-11-02 16:04:07 UTC  

me on a friday night ngl FABBBBBBBBBBBULOOOOOOOOUSSSSSSSSSSS

2019-11-02 16:04:32 UTC  

Btw

2019-11-02 16:04:43 UTC  

Thing is you can move past your own preference of course. I may perfer pizza, but its bad for me and so I don't eat it much. However if I never knew it was bad for me, my Pathos would obviously win out.

2019-11-02 16:04:45 UTC  

My heart started hurting after you posted that. 😭 I need to run more.

2019-11-02 16:04:56 UTC  

Has anyone pointed out to trad caths that Catholics worked with Jews to pass the 1965 immigration act? Now that they're so based all of a sudden

2019-11-02 16:05:15 UTC  

@iippo your point?

2019-11-02 16:05:24 UTC  

I fucking hate Catholics.

2019-11-02 16:05:28 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/634367565304561675/640219942335152143/unknown.png

2019-11-02 16:05:31 UTC  

HEHEHEHE

2019-11-02 16:05:40 UTC  

Catholics have always been a force on the left in the US

2019-11-02 16:05:46 UTC  

by and large