@Holo do you race?

I wish lol

I have too many tickets to be stupid enough to do it now

$13k with 11k miles, getting 115miles to the gallon and only $15/month extra in elec.

3 speeding tickets is enough for me

Also who did you rob

My biggest concern is that the left will ban gas cars.

They are already trying to in Europe

I will buy a gun and put a sign up 'all people trying to take my car will be shot'

If most people go electric, then there shouldn’t be an issue

Me and my baby have been through a lot, I'm going to run her until she dies

Also I drive stick

You give me an eeee eee car and I guarantee that I will not be able to drive stick very well anymore

Have you looked at Tesla’s car performance?

Yeah. Evs aren’t sticks.

No but I've looked at my bank account

Lol. Me too

College students aren't exactly out to buy brand new electric cars

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kpKfABYXzw

Regardless of your arguments unless your are trading my gas car for your electric car and your electric car makes rev noises and has stick im not switching

I don't think you'll have to, nor should you.

I dunno man

Current way we are going, people are wanting their way regardless of the bodies they have step over

^

do you live in a decent size metro area?

@Holo agreed. That’s why I’m concerned about the environmental movement. It seems to be becoming more authoritarianistic.

it's a religion

I think all these authortarians need a nap.

That's all it is. They're grumpy because they don't have their 10 hours.

I live on a college campus near (not that close) a mid sized city

the only skyscrapers near me are apartment homes

and even then that's still a couple miles down the road

I'm guessing car as a service will be more and more popular in metro areas, especially if automated driving goes mainstream anytime soon.

@Holo I live in a college town like that too.

Fuck automated driving

jesus christ

that is a time bomb

@Clay car sharing is definitely interesting, but I doubt that it’ll ever get past 25% of the population participating.

i can't wait for people to get all these automated cars, only to figure out that they are programmed to literally kill them if they are not worth more than what they are going to hit

2 automated cars, one with a family of 5 one with a single person

if circumstance happens that the single person must swerve into the family of 5 or die, the car will kill that person

despite no guarantee that swerving into the family of 5 would result in their deaths

I'm a firm believer in weighing the cost of life, but i also firmly believe in everyone's right to seek life and not accept death

Yes, the good ole trolly car problem. It's an issue.

If a trolly car is heading down the road towards 5 people, do you switch the track to kill one person or let it hit 5? who says you don't have time to switch the track and hurry and grab the 1 person?

it's that simple fact that not every moral life or death real situation has a black and white outcome

@Holo those situations are unlikely. Most deaths are the result of human error, like running red lights. I do agree that no one should be forced to use it.

pretty uber's already killed a few people salacious

```When its perception module gets confused, an AV should slow down. But unexpected braking can cause problems of its own: confused AVs have in the past been rear-ended (by human drivers) after slowing suddenly. Hence the delegation of responsibility for braking to human safety drivers, who are there to catch the system when an accident seems imminent.```

in a news article detailing the event

i wont quote the event itself since it's circumstantial

but as of now self driving cars cannot accurately perceive everything

which means you are relying on humans

which means you are not going to remove human error, only exponentiate it

convenience breeds laziness which breeds negligence

if i was in a self driving car that had a human E-Brake system, and my car kills someone

who is at fault

the car for not recognizing the person

or me for not pulling the E-Brake

and fuck if i'm going to actually admit fault, i'm going to blame the car

and the manufacturer is going to blame me

and the person killed gets no justice

And if you enhance the perception module to a point where it can distinguish unknown and foreign objects then you are stepping into the realm of AI which is another fun bag of problems

Yes there are unresolved issues with self driving cars. I’m still not sure how rural driving will work. What if someone lives off a dirt road that isn’t mapped? How would that be integrated into the system? What about roads that change? How will the cars internal mapping system be updated?

Same with construction as well

The cars will respond real time to obstacles around them. It’s just mapping may have issues.

Uh no

There are times google is wrong.

Construction people have stuff set up well in advance to get people out of a lane before it becomes a problem

automated cars should get out of a lane the moment google maps says there is construction

therefore it doesn't immediately stop but can safely merge

I don't like it

simply for the fact that again

convenience breeds laziness and laziness breeds negligence

Automated cars don't drink, do drugs, play on cell phones, etc., they only drive , they will be able to communicate with each other as well. I don't know if they can solve most of the problems anytime soon, but I don't think all these huge companies would be pouring so much money into it, if they didn't think they could get to market.

I get the jitters everytime i'm not driving, so does my mom

The system can only improve. I do agree that it will make people more reliant on technology.

where does it stop eh?

wall-E?

i know i'm being a bit of a negative nelly here

Who knows.

but i'm honestly getting a bit tired of people trying to step towards pure automation

automated cars, yay

now buss drivers are out of business

and truck drivers

I think they will be rolling them out for general use in the next few years.

Did anyone just get a presidential alert on their phone?

how long until they automate forklights and otherwarehouse things

yes

What the hell. Why is this a thing?

National Wireless Emergency Alert System

yay

more ways for them to show they are connected to our devices at all times

I have a very good friend who is a truck driver, he's learning to program. He said there will be very few CDL jobs in 10 years. They already are automating forklifts and mining equipment.

Yeah. I’m concerned about the jobs thing. Driving is a major employer.

oh that's just excellent, what are you going to do with all the unskilled employees?

you can't just send them back to college

that's 20k and 4 years of their life gone

20k minimum btw

you can't have a required college education for everyone