Message from @Holo

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2018-10-03 18:04:26 UTC  

I'm a firm believer in weighing the cost of life, but i also firmly believe in everyone's right to seek life and not accept death

2018-10-03 18:05:27 UTC  

Yes, the good ole trolly car problem. It's an issue.

2018-10-03 18:06:19 UTC  

If a trolly car is heading down the road towards 5 people, do you switch the track to kill one person or let it hit 5? who says you don't have time to switch the track and hurry and grab the 1 person?

2018-10-03 18:06:37 UTC  

it's that simple fact that not every moral life or death real situation has a black and white outcome

2018-10-03 18:06:38 UTC  

@Holo those situations are unlikely. Most deaths are the result of human error, like running red lights. I do agree that no one should be forced to use it.

2018-10-03 18:07:01 UTC  

pretty uber's already killed a few people salacious

2018-10-03 18:08:42 UTC  

```When its perception module gets confused, an AV should slow down. But unexpected braking can cause problems of its own: confused AVs have in the past been rear-ended (by human drivers) after slowing suddenly. Hence the delegation of responsibility for braking to human safety drivers, who are there to catch the system when an accident seems imminent.```

2018-10-03 18:08:50 UTC  

in a news article detailing the event

2018-10-03 18:09:01 UTC  

i wont quote the event itself since it's circumstantial

2018-10-03 18:09:15 UTC  

but as of now self driving cars cannot accurately perceive everything

2018-10-03 18:09:35 UTC  

which means you are relying on humans

2018-10-03 18:09:52 UTC  

which means you are not going to remove human error, only exponentiate it

2018-10-03 18:10:08 UTC  

convenience breeds laziness which breeds negligence

2018-10-03 18:10:45 UTC  

if i was in a self driving car that had a human E-Brake system, and my car kills someone

2018-10-03 18:10:47 UTC  

who is at fault

2018-10-03 18:10:51 UTC  

the car for not recognizing the person

2018-10-03 18:10:57 UTC  

or me for not pulling the E-Brake

2018-10-03 18:11:06 UTC  

and fuck if i'm going to actually admit fault, i'm going to blame the car

2018-10-03 18:11:11 UTC  

and the manufacturer is going to blame me

2018-10-03 18:11:17 UTC  

and the person killed gets no justice

2018-10-03 18:12:00 UTC  

And if you enhance the perception module to a point where it can distinguish unknown and foreign objects then you are stepping into the realm of AI which is another fun bag of problems

2018-10-03 18:14:02 UTC  

Yes there are unresolved issues with self driving cars. I’m still not sure how rural driving will work. What if someone lives off a dirt road that isn’t mapped? How would that be integrated into the system? What about roads that change? How will the cars internal mapping system be updated?

2018-10-03 18:14:20 UTC  

Same with construction as well

2018-10-03 18:15:07 UTC  

The cars will respond real time to obstacles around them. It’s just mapping may have issues.

2018-10-03 18:15:13 UTC  

Uh no

2018-10-03 18:15:23 UTC  

There are times google is wrong.

2018-10-03 18:15:35 UTC  

Construction people have stuff set up well in advance to get people out of a lane before it becomes a problem

2018-10-03 18:15:52 UTC  

automated cars should get out of a lane the moment google maps says there is construction

2018-10-03 18:16:01 UTC  

therefore it doesn't immediately stop but can safely merge

2018-10-03 18:16:45 UTC  

I don't like it

2018-10-03 18:16:50 UTC  

simply for the fact that again

2018-10-03 18:17:06 UTC  

convenience breeds laziness and laziness breeds negligence

2018-10-03 18:17:20 UTC  

Automated cars don't drink, do drugs, play on cell phones, etc., they only drive , they will be able to communicate with each other as well. I don't know if they can solve most of the problems anytime soon, but I don't think all these huge companies would be pouring so much money into it, if they didn't think they could get to market.

2018-10-03 18:17:21 UTC  

I get the jitters everytime i'm not driving, so does my mom

2018-10-03 18:17:31 UTC  

The system can only improve. I do agree that it will make people more reliant on technology.

2018-10-03 18:17:46 UTC  

where does it stop eh?

2018-10-03 18:17:50 UTC  

wall-E?

2018-10-03 18:17:59 UTC  

i know i'm being a bit of a negative nelly here

2018-10-03 18:18:00 UTC  

Who knows.

2018-10-03 18:18:20 UTC  

but i'm honestly getting a bit tired of people trying to step towards pure automation

2018-10-03 18:18:25 UTC  

automated cars, yay