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do you live in a decent size metro area?

@Holo agreed. That’s why I’m concerned about the environmental movement. It seems to be becoming more authoritarianistic.

it's a religion

I think all these authortarians need a nap.

That's all it is. They're grumpy because they don't have their 10 hours.

I live on a college campus near (not that close) a mid sized city

the only skyscrapers near me are apartment homes

and even then that's still a couple miles down the road

I'm guessing car as a service will be more and more popular in metro areas, especially if automated driving goes mainstream anytime soon.

@Holo I live in a college town like that too.

Fuck automated driving

jesus christ

that is a time bomb

@Clay car sharing is definitely interesting, but I doubt that it’ll ever get past 25% of the population participating.

i can't wait for people to get all these automated cars, only to figure out that they are programmed to literally kill them if they are not worth more than what they are going to hit

2 automated cars, one with a family of 5 one with a single person

if circumstance happens that the single person must swerve into the family of 5 or die, the car will kill that person

despite no guarantee that swerving into the family of 5 would result in their deaths

I'm a firm believer in weighing the cost of life, but i also firmly believe in everyone's right to seek life and not accept death

Yes, the good ole trolly car problem. It's an issue.

If a trolly car is heading down the road towards 5 people, do you switch the track to kill one person or let it hit 5? who says you don't have time to switch the track and hurry and grab the 1 person?

it's that simple fact that not every moral life or death real situation has a black and white outcome

@Holo those situations are unlikely. Most deaths are the result of human error, like running red lights. I do agree that no one should be forced to use it.

pretty uber's already killed a few people salacious

```When its perception module gets confused, an AV should slow down. But unexpected braking can cause problems of its own: confused AVs have in the past been rear-ended (by human drivers) after slowing suddenly. Hence the delegation of responsibility for braking to human safety drivers, who are there to catch the system when an accident seems imminent.```

in a news article detailing the event

i wont quote the event itself since it's circumstantial

but as of now self driving cars cannot accurately perceive everything

which means you are relying on humans

which means you are not going to remove human error, only exponentiate it

convenience breeds laziness which breeds negligence

if i was in a self driving car that had a human E-Brake system, and my car kills someone

who is at fault

the car for not recognizing the person

or me for not pulling the E-Brake

and fuck if i'm going to actually admit fault, i'm going to blame the car

and the manufacturer is going to blame me

and the person killed gets no justice

And if you enhance the perception module to a point where it can distinguish unknown and foreign objects then you are stepping into the realm of AI which is another fun bag of problems

Yes there are unresolved issues with self driving cars. I’m still not sure how rural driving will work. What if someone lives off a dirt road that isn’t mapped? How would that be integrated into the system? What about roads that change? How will the cars internal mapping system be updated?