Message from @Holo

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2018-10-03 18:02:35 UTC  

@Clay car sharing is definitely interesting, but I doubt that it’ll ever get past 25% of the population participating.

2018-10-03 18:02:48 UTC  

i can't wait for people to get all these automated cars, only to figure out that they are programmed to literally kill them if they are not worth more than what they are going to hit

2018-10-03 18:03:17 UTC  

2 automated cars, one with a family of 5 one with a single person

2018-10-03 18:03:35 UTC  

if circumstance happens that the single person must swerve into the family of 5 or die, the car will kill that person

2018-10-03 18:03:51 UTC  

despite no guarantee that swerving into the family of 5 would result in their deaths

2018-10-03 18:04:26 UTC  

I'm a firm believer in weighing the cost of life, but i also firmly believe in everyone's right to seek life and not accept death

2018-10-03 18:05:27 UTC  

Yes, the good ole trolly car problem. It's an issue.

2018-10-03 18:06:19 UTC  

If a trolly car is heading down the road towards 5 people, do you switch the track to kill one person or let it hit 5? who says you don't have time to switch the track and hurry and grab the 1 person?

2018-10-03 18:06:37 UTC  

it's that simple fact that not every moral life or death real situation has a black and white outcome

2018-10-03 18:06:38 UTC  

@Holo those situations are unlikely. Most deaths are the result of human error, like running red lights. I do agree that no one should be forced to use it.

2018-10-03 18:07:01 UTC  

pretty uber's already killed a few people salacious

2018-10-03 18:08:42 UTC  

```When its perception module gets confused, an AV should slow down. But unexpected braking can cause problems of its own: confused AVs have in the past been rear-ended (by human drivers) after slowing suddenly. Hence the delegation of responsibility for braking to human safety drivers, who are there to catch the system when an accident seems imminent.```

2018-10-03 18:08:50 UTC  

in a news article detailing the event

2018-10-03 18:09:01 UTC  

i wont quote the event itself since it's circumstantial

2018-10-03 18:09:15 UTC  

but as of now self driving cars cannot accurately perceive everything

2018-10-03 18:09:35 UTC  

which means you are relying on humans

2018-10-03 18:09:52 UTC  

which means you are not going to remove human error, only exponentiate it

2018-10-03 18:10:08 UTC  

convenience breeds laziness which breeds negligence

2018-10-03 18:10:45 UTC  

if i was in a self driving car that had a human E-Brake system, and my car kills someone

2018-10-03 18:10:47 UTC  

who is at fault

2018-10-03 18:10:51 UTC  

the car for not recognizing the person

2018-10-03 18:10:57 UTC  

or me for not pulling the E-Brake

2018-10-03 18:11:06 UTC  

and fuck if i'm going to actually admit fault, i'm going to blame the car

2018-10-03 18:11:11 UTC  

and the manufacturer is going to blame me

2018-10-03 18:11:17 UTC  

and the person killed gets no justice

2018-10-03 18:12:00 UTC  

And if you enhance the perception module to a point where it can distinguish unknown and foreign objects then you are stepping into the realm of AI which is another fun bag of problems

2018-10-03 18:14:02 UTC  

Yes there are unresolved issues with self driving cars. I’m still not sure how rural driving will work. What if someone lives off a dirt road that isn’t mapped? How would that be integrated into the system? What about roads that change? How will the cars internal mapping system be updated?

2018-10-03 18:14:20 UTC  

Same with construction as well

2018-10-03 18:15:07 UTC  

The cars will respond real time to obstacles around them. It’s just mapping may have issues.

2018-10-03 18:15:13 UTC  

Uh no

2018-10-03 18:15:23 UTC  

There are times google is wrong.

2018-10-03 18:15:35 UTC  

Construction people have stuff set up well in advance to get people out of a lane before it becomes a problem

2018-10-03 18:15:52 UTC  

automated cars should get out of a lane the moment google maps says there is construction

2018-10-03 18:16:01 UTC  

therefore it doesn't immediately stop but can safely merge

2018-10-03 18:16:45 UTC  

I don't like it

2018-10-03 18:16:50 UTC  

simply for the fact that again

2018-10-03 18:17:06 UTC  

convenience breeds laziness and laziness breeds negligence

2018-10-03 18:17:20 UTC  

Automated cars don't drink, do drugs, play on cell phones, etc., they only drive , they will be able to communicate with each other as well. I don't know if they can solve most of the problems anytime soon, but I don't think all these huge companies would be pouring so much money into it, if they didn't think they could get to market.

2018-10-03 18:17:21 UTC  

I get the jitters everytime i'm not driving, so does my mom

2018-10-03 18:17:31 UTC  

The system can only improve. I do agree that it will make people more reliant on technology.

2018-10-03 18:17:46 UTC  

where does it stop eh?