No hearings. No vote.

#FreeAllTheThings /s

Everyone has heard of "Medicare for All" and "single payer." Not one word about what Phelps calls a "shameful" transfer of money from the poor to the rich. The socialists don't care!

What is the nature of this wealth transfer? You are alluding to something but it would be more helpful if you would just spell it out.

"Watch my 2 hour YouTube video or you're dumb/ignorant" isnt good faith argumentation, nor is it convincing

The ability to summarize is key to getting your core point across. Links are for requested evidence, not for the core argument

@argyris the Forbes article you posted says the Federal government pays for almost 50% of healthcare, not that healthcare is almost 50% of the Federal budget.

Also please explain this wealth transfer that is supposedly happening from the poor to the rich.

Isn’t welfare + social security basically 65% of the federal budget anyways?

The wealth transfer is the tax expenditure for employer healthcare. Phelps and Parente provide the details, including in that video. I'm sorry if I cannot explain it better than two of the most prominent professors of healthcare economics in the U.S. I didn't say "you're dumb/ignorant." I said this is important information about public policy.

You don't need to explain it better, you need to explain it *at all* because I'm not going to watch a long video. If you think this is an important issue then learn to summarize the key points of the argument.

Employer-provided health insurance isn't even a tax. It's a benefit as part of an overall compensation package. So how is that a wealth transfer?

"Employer-provided health insurance isn't even a tax. It's a benefit as part of an overall compensation package. So how is that a wealth transfer?"

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I'm sorry. Not everything fits in 140 characters. Especially things that the Swamp doesn't want us to talk about. Em.ployer provided health insurance is the largest tax expenditure in the budget

When you talk about things that are not in the public view, nobody knows the ABCs. That is by design.

The words "tax expenditure" aren't even something most people have heard.

Discord has a 2000 character limit. And I'll repeat that employer-provided health plans are not taxes. They are compensation paid by employers to employees. So what are you talking about?

They are exempt from federal income taxes. That is called a tax expenditure. It is a trick to hide subsidies. Instead of handing people money, you make something they buy anyway tax deductible. That is the same thing as handing them cash.

But that is not a wealth transfer, a wealth transfer would be a subsidy for providing healthcare

Ok, now I understand what you are saying, at least.

Okay, so Professor Phelps knows nothing about economics. Glad you understand economics better than he does.

Its an incentive to soend money in a way that the government finds more advantageous than how they would spend it themselves

Silly AEI, having him speak about something some fool on the Internet can't explain better than he does.

But health insurance premiums are tax deductible for everyone.

I'm sure your sarcastic attitude is helping you feel superior but it is not making your argument more persuasive, fyi.

What argument? All I am arguing is that we should pay attention to important things. How is that something that needs to be argued?

"Let's spend time listening to experts about the largest parts of our budget." What is your counterargument to that?

Lol.

America is not a technocrancy

Bingo! It is an idiocracy... At least it feels like it at times.

We listen to the people who are most entertaining, not most knowledgeable.

We do, that doesnt mean are representatives do

We outsource our democratic process because the ROI on a full democracy is not good

Wouldn't it be nice if a single newspaper in this country reviewed a book on healthcare policy by Trump's nominee to head healthcare policy? I would then be able to point you to that review instead of having to try to explain it to you.

But, we'll listen to a bunch of idiots "debating" "healthcare" "policy" on TV...

Or i could read the book instead of a review if i felt the information was worthwhile

You don't feel it is worthwhile why?

You never heard of it

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Because healthcare is not a role assigned to the federal government

Well, I am sure that will fix it.

And my representatives have not given them that duty

Let me know how that works out for you when Kamala Harris bans all private health insurance.

She can't, because she would need support from both houses of Congress and the supreme court to do it

If you say so.

Its just ideal promises, like the warren wealth tax which is also unconstitutional

So did Obamacare happen or not?

You sound like gun control people talking about how great it will be when we ban guns and suddenly will live in a world without guns. Because unconstitutional things never happen.

how does that even follow?

we sound like gun control ppl? bro you must be new to this server

It did, but only because dems controlled the house, senate, and the supreme court

"We"

what?

So @argyris are you advocating that we remove the tax deduction for health insurance premiums?

I am advocating that we pay attention to the book written by Stephen Parente, first and foremost because the fact nobody talked about his ideas is suspicious.

round and round we go.

"we" again. You said you were not convinced. I thought you bowed out of this conversation.

Maybe the book wasn't that good?

Did you read it?

"You sound like gun control people talking about how great it will be when we ban guns and suddenly will live in a world without guns"
that would be the "we". what dont you understand?

im still not convinced, correct.

but i can choose to speak any damn time i want.

Why don't you tell me *why* you think I should read it, without resorting to your theory that it is being suppressed.

oh now we're into the "because nobody has taken the time to refute it, it's correct" leg of the conversation

you throw out red herrings like its a fucking fishmarket here bro.

If you give me a compelling reason to do so, I might even read it. I have been known to read a book occasionally.

I didn't say you should read it. I said I think people should listen to that two hour presentation. I watched it and I think he talks about important things that people should discuss.

...so you havent read it either then

you just watched a video?

correct me if im wrong

Actually, I have. But I read books about insurance. Very few people do.

How is this argument different than discussions on the shape of the planet?

dont we have a debate channel

That is a video from the AEI about a book written by a nominee for Assistant Secretary of HHS. How is that different from discussions on the shape of the planet? Okay. You convinced me. I am wrong.

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@argyris I'm tiring of repetition, but give me a *reason the book is worth reading* and I might do so.

all channels are debate @Vesdii

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Factz

@uncephalized I am not arguing you should read the book. I have said that several times already.

shouldnt you be tho?

He said watch his video don't read his book

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Give him clicks

My video and my book. LOL

I get clicks when people go to an AEI video. I am the AEI

I'm done. Have fun.

what?

no one legit is saying its actually your book/video

are you seriously that pedantic?

And the vid has a link to the book via his amazon account so he gets bonus bucks

@argyris so you just want me "pay attention" to it but not actually read it?

That's weird. What do you want me to do, go to B&N and just stare really hard at the cover?

This boiled down to a lazy method of attention seeking.

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you put it on your head and let osmosis do its thing

How hard is it to give me one good reason to read the book if it's so important?

because he hasnt actually read it im betting

Seems likely.

*oof*

he probably got jazzed up about the video and now needs to go preach the gospel. like bro learn the fucking gospel first