But, so many times i see people exploit every free day they can get

fuck off commie bastard

you can't say they haven't done anything good

Unions gave everyone more rights

But they've gone a little far

Labor Unions used to be a vital and essential tool for the progression of worker's rights and good pay - unfourtnely Labor Unions are now as corrupt as the Corporations they were formed to oppose.

Unions are too easily infiltrated, ESOP are where its at for the employees and owners

Employee Stock Ownership Plan

What WinCo does

the employee's are also the owners. Gets skin in the game

Gives employees company stock

state run labor union with a workers council that lets both proletarian and bourgeois reach agreements on conditions and pay and allows that workers only be fired for genuine reasons

Other Companies such as In-N-Out and Chick-fil-A are also great example of owners treating employees very *very* well

Ford Motor Company under the founder Henry Ford as well

Even Janitor's and Part-Time employees receive 401k plans, paid sick and vacation leave, dental and medical insurance

Better treated employees are more productive

And will stay with the company for longer

The problem with Unions is that the owners and workers interests are at odds. ESOP solves that problem

The two become one

Sure

I think Labor Unions would be better if it was 100% democratic

i.e no "owner"

Each decision is voted on by all members

Anyways ive gtg

As far as I’m concerned labor unions are a useful balance to the company in order to prevent abuse by employers if it occurs.

I strongly prefer unions with a council and charter over a single leader union however.

That makes sure the *unions* are kept in check by the employees.

this was a pretty great system imo
its a shame that the war prevented completion of many projects
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Labour_Front

@Deleted User They only existed because they unironically killed all the other unions.

yeh and they did a better job @DrRisen

@Deleted User better for some, worse for others.

worse for the jew and the businessmen better for the german worker

@Deleted User Don’t play dumb, you know what I was saying.

no i really dont @DrRisen

Better for some workers, worse for others. I’m sure the white German fascist was very well represented by the union. I don’t think the same can be said for a socialist, or a Jew, or a Slavic, or a black.

@Deleted User

i see no issue with precluding socialists and foreigners from business
as far as i can tell most slavs within germany were considered aryan so idk what youre talking about in regards to them and as for blacks, im sure all 5 of them were very unhappy

@Deleted User That doesn’t deny the fact that it was better for some and worse for others. You thinking that is a good thing is irrelevant, because it *is* a thing.

ok
so what issue did you take with me describing it as ''worse for the jew and the businessmen better for the german worker''

you basically just repeated it back to me but added slavs and blacks

That wasn’t what I took issue with.

What I took issue with was you saying it was better.

It wasn’t. It was better for the people you liked. For many other normal workers it was worse than no union at all.

it was better
the unions of the Weimar republic were corrupt and controlled
''other normal''
oxymoron tbh
i would disagree with many
do you realise how white germany was?

@DrRisen

Do you realize how many non-ethnically-german whites there are? @Deleted User

Take the Polish for instance.

prove that the polish were discriminated against in germany by the DAF

this is new to me tbh

*cough cough forced labor*

how was the DAF responsible for the forced labour during ww2? @DrRisen

youre reaching hard bro

@Deleted User It was responsible for the workers in Germany, and after Poland was annexed, it became part of Germany. The polish people were extensively pushed out of conventional employment by Germans and then forced to enter labor camps. The DAF sat on their hands as the rights of polish employees were ignored for the benefit of Germans.

Lebensraum policy in action.

many polish became germanised and had exactly the same rights as germans so idk what youre really talking about here
i didnt ask you to recite your last history lesson i was asking for proof of this discrimination and you respond with waffle @DrRisen

@Deleted User Many ethnic Poles were pushed out in favor of ethnic Germans. This is a well known fact. Don’t tell me you’re trying to deny it.

Labour Unions are good but should be integrated into the appartus of state.

The entire point of lebensraum was acquiring space for the ethnic German fascists, and to hell with the previous occupants.

just show me the proof ffs
if you can show me then i will concede that via a certain amount of mental gymnastics we can attribute the forced labour of poles to the DAF and i will admit that that was a situational flaw @DrRisen

Alright, what do you consider proof? @Deleted User

anything at this point would be a start even if it comes from marxists.com @DrRisen

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forced_labour_under_German_rule_during_World_War_II

How about a source you used?

i posted the wiki article in the first place i made no proclamations

hang on i may have read this idk

You posted it with assumed confidence that it was a reliable source of information on your topic.

im reading it
can you point me to the part where it mentions the DAF's policy to force slavs into work

cuz all i can see is that during the war ecconomy poles were forced to work
some of them innocent some of them not

no mention of the DAF's policy

You’re moving the goalpost dude. You wanted proof that poles were forced into labor in Germany, there you have it. The DAF did nothing to protect or attempt to protect the rights of polish workers.

Besides, even if all of this is irrelevant, even if we drop the subject simply out of mercy to you, there are still issues with the DAF,

The DAF's policies didnt really have anything to do with that tho
this was a side effect of the war economy

For example, collective bargaining and striking were all but eliminated under the DAF.

https://spartacus-educational.com/GERMANtradeU.htm

bruh spartacus international

ok sure why not

@Deleted User *you did say any source*

yes but still

lockout were also forbidden so i dont see how this is unfair really @DrRisen

im not arguing they were marxists @Deleted User

@Deleted User That just means everyone is getting hurt.

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no it means that both the workers and bourgeois are disarmed of their tools of class warfare so that they may settle their differences amicably @DrRisen

"Fascism isn't from the past, my friend, it is eternal. Fascism predates humanity! Failed, you say? Does nature ever fail? No, though we might fail her – and that would be the end of us."

@Deleted User They couldn’t settle their differences, they were strong-armed into doing whatever the party told them to do.

@Deleted User what is your issue

Hmm?

Hell, the union reps weren’t even elected, they were appointed.

yes the workers and businessmen had to obey the gov @DrRisen

"I'm a follower of truth, first and foremost. Truth is my religion, truth is my guide, my master. And truth doesn't come from any man-made ideology. If it's an idea that someone dreamed up, then it's a definitely a falsehood. Truth comes from nature herself, from the universe. It just is.
- That all sounds very interesting, "but what does it have to do with fascism?
- My friend, that is fascism."

why are you quoting ST to me r u pranking me? @Deleted User

No

Bro

Look at my roles

I'm a reactionary

@Deleted User In other words they killed unions and replaced the business oppression with government oppression.