My roles are very contradicting so

>communist
>libertarian

thats not contradictory

the historical french left and dutch/german left are examples of libertarian marxism

i.e situationism and council communism

Marx literally said the centralization of government is necessary for the establishment of communism

post state communism should abolish the gov

if im not mistaken

well first of all marx did not coin the term communism, nor is marxism the only form of communism

but yeah post socialist marxism is anti-state

Ends dont justify the means

The people will destroy it

Communism is Left Libertarianism

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It's not contradictory

i would actually say authoritarian communism is an oxymoron

tbh

If it's authoritarian it's just socialist.

Marxist Socialist.

especially since like, ML and MLM is pretty much just a distortion of marxism built of a laughably incorrect analysis

i mean

marx never made the distinction between socialism and communism. that was Lenin

There's anarchist who believe in getting rid of the state first and then capitalism

and that post state society is is true communism?

but yes, true communism is a stateless, classless, moneyless society

^^^

i dont understand how you destroy capitalism. Isnt there a marxist definition

@Krusk True

Destroying the state and markets

Capitalism cant exist without either of them

while that is true it is also important to note that markets are not inherent to capitalism

they have existed long before and will exist long after

^^^

There's such thing as "Market Socialism"

yeah

most contemporary market socialists are neo-proudhonians though

which is big dumb

BE KOSHER

What

Lemme speak

Market socialism is haram

bruh stop deleting peoples messages

```Market socialism is a type of economic system involving the public, cooperative or social ownership of the means of production in the framework of a market economy.```

Don’t even mention those particular political people for now.

tbh guild socialism > market socialism

@Krusk

We’re on a thin line and need to be careful for the next 48 hours or so.

Fuck you @DrRisen

@DrRisen why are you doing this

nothing we've said has broken the TOS

YES

PERFECT.

Bundle of sticks it is.

Let's just say "bundle of sticks" for y'know fas-

^

Pointy stick

that's why you use the minecraft loophole

poopoopeepee

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Most gen z people are just as liberal as the previous generation if not more and if they're actually not and more conservative they're likely just cuckservatives who only want to preserve their wallet.

Ok

I see you have infinite knowledge of the zeitgeist

based gen z is the optimist approach

at least they arent doomers

most gen z people politically are leftists

ive seen

Gen Z isn't more liberal

its divided between bernie libs and communists

at least where i live

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/i-can-beat-him-again-hillary-clinton-teases-2020-run

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I like Bernie's economics but I'm culturally right

Bernie has said some based things tho

i dont live in America so im not actually that well read on America politicians policies etc

but like

from what ive seen i would agree, the only problem is obviously his views on immigration and how he wants to make welfare etc more accessible to non-white americans and immigrants etc

Yeah abortion is super based

however

But they do it disproportionately

It would keep whites the majority for longer

And whites would become more conservative

Exactly

ehh i feel like white left wingers are pretty predominant especially in the younger generations

yes but lefties dont have a lot of kids

idk they have very few kids tho

yeah that is very true

Traditional white christians have like idk maybe 2.2 kids per woman and retarded white feminist has maybe .5

slowly white right wingers will take control of the white vote, white consciousness etc

Also, diversity makes keep less supportive of a welfare state

Because they don't like seeing their money go to other groups

What will happen is whites will continue to drift right and non whites will drift left and there will likely be polarization.

yes
we can already see that there is a white wing and a brown wing forming in politics

I'm not happy about it. I think welfare states like Scandinavia are better especially if the population is homogenous but that's what'll likely happen.

the problem with welfare states is that they tend to embrace individualism and social degeneracy which is a threat to the social fabric

I don't think so. A non welfare state free market where the government has little role in economics is way more individualist.

@Sandaledfungus4 i mean from an economic standpoint yes, but socially, welfare states place a large emphasis on individualism and have an extremely liberal conception of "rights" regarding individual freedoms

But so do free market libertarian states

yea, im not saying free market libertarianism is better

im saying they are both horrible