Message from @Asdrubal

Discord ID: 631277919561318410


2019-10-08 23:46:50 UTC  

Anti capitalist=/= communist

2019-10-08 23:46:51 UTC  

really helpful dude

2019-10-08 23:47:02 UTC  

not like theyre reconstructing the server or anything

2019-10-08 23:47:20 UTC  

Also secondly I wasnt even shitposting that time

2019-10-08 23:47:48 UTC  

He fucked up not using that opportunity from a year ago

2019-10-08 23:48:15 UTC  

``Anti capitalist=/= communist``

i know, im an anti-capitalist as well and very anti communist

2019-10-08 23:48:21 UTC  

but you have the communist role

2019-10-08 23:48:34 UTC  

No anti capitalist role

2019-10-08 23:48:51 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/587015719141507102/631276855760257035/Screen_Shot_2019-10-09_at_10.48.41_am.png

2019-10-08 23:49:16 UTC  

My roles are very contradicting so

2019-10-08 23:49:34 UTC  

>communist
>libertarian

2019-10-08 23:49:55 UTC  

thats not contradictory

2019-10-08 23:50:14 UTC  

the historical french left and dutch/german left are examples of libertarian marxism

2019-10-08 23:50:28 UTC  

i.e situationism and council communism

2019-10-08 23:50:51 UTC  

Marx literally said the centralization of government is necessary for the establishment of communism

2019-10-08 23:51:26 UTC  

post state communism should abolish the gov

2019-10-08 23:51:30 UTC  

if im not mistaken

2019-10-08 23:51:45 UTC  

well first of all marx did not coin the term communism, nor is marxism the only form of communism

2019-10-08 23:52:02 UTC  

but yeah post socialist marxism is anti-state

2019-10-08 23:52:50 UTC  

Ends dont justify the means

2019-10-08 23:53:04 UTC  

The people will destroy it

2019-10-08 23:53:05 UTC  

Communism is Left Libertarianism

2019-10-08 23:53:09 UTC  

^

2019-10-08 23:53:13 UTC  

It's not contradictory

2019-10-08 23:53:30 UTC  

i would actually say authoritarian communism is an oxymoron

2019-10-08 23:53:31 UTC  

tbh

2019-10-08 23:53:56 UTC  

If it's authoritarian it's just socialist.

2019-10-08 23:54:03 UTC  

Marxist Socialist.

2019-10-08 23:54:07 UTC  

especially since like, ML and MLM is pretty much just a distortion of marxism built of a laughably incorrect analysis

2019-10-08 23:54:48 UTC  

i mean

2019-10-08 23:54:58 UTC  

marx never made the distinction between socialism and communism. that was Lenin

2019-10-08 23:55:03 UTC  

There's anarchist who believe in getting rid of the state first and then capitalism

2019-10-08 23:55:12 UTC  

and that post state society is is true communism?

2019-10-08 23:55:38 UTC  

but yes, true communism is a stateless, classless, moneyless society

2019-10-08 23:55:42 UTC  

^^^

2019-10-08 23:55:45 UTC  

i dont understand how you destroy capitalism. Isnt there a marxist definition

2019-10-08 23:55:49 UTC  

@Krusk True

2019-10-08 23:56:12 UTC  

Destroying the state and markets

2019-10-08 23:56:30 UTC  

Capitalism cant exist without either of them

2019-10-08 23:57:23 UTC  

while that is true it is also important to note that markets are not inherent to capitalism

2019-10-08 23:57:30 UTC  

they have existed long before and will exist long after