```Completed: 4
Scrapped: 4```

```Fate: Sold for scrap in 1955
Status: Scrapped```

```Completed: 2
Scrapped: 2```

Nah, they could just take of backwards.

Not enough headwind

```Fate: Scrapped 1978```

It's a fucking biplane, how much headwind do you need?

I suggest the Sopwith Camel as a low cost alternative

Anything positive, which isn't what you'll get if you keep moving the ship forward but take off backwards. ```Fate: Scrapped 1980```

```Planned: 4
Cancelled: 4```

```Planned: 2
Cancelled: 2```

```Completed: 3
Scrapped: 3```

Better scrapped than blown up, like most US non-Essex main battle WW2 carriers

At least that's a warrior's death. Enterprise got scrapped, but other than that we bothered to actually save ships.

Or, in the case of USS Constitution, keep it in active commission in the US Navy and keep the ship sailing under her own power 200+ years later

Somehow I don't think the military planners are of the same opinion

as far as warrior's death is concerned

They actually do, because if you keep ships as museums, there exists a possibility to return them from the mothball

Anyway, contrast USS Constitution with HMS Victory, the latter of which looks like the ship's on fucking life support: https://www.nmrn.org.uk/sites/default/files/styles/event-image-large/public/field/image/how_adjustable_steel_props_will_look_on_hms_victory_credit_nmrn_2.png?itok=A074yAfu

I was referring to the "warrior's death"

not that armoured carriers make sense nowadays....

That idea of preferring a ship be sunk than scrapped dates back nearly 200 years on this side of the Atlantic: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Ironsides_(poem)

American "history" lmao

No such thing

He says as the UK scraps would-be historical sites, while the Old Statehouse in Boston still stands from the days of the Boston Massacre

I love how Yanks get so proud of the frigates like the USS constitution when their navy was literally just those 3 frigates

6, though the real thing to be proud of is the 33-0 battle record on Connie

HMS Shannon hoves into view

Yeah the constitution was a really good design, but not good enough to hold a candle to the RN of the time

It was successful enough to outrun what it couldn't outgun or outgun what it couldn't outrun, and indeed as shown by the 57-hour chase involving 5 smaller Royal Navy ships, they could even outrun ships that were SUPPOSED to be able to outrun them

Basically the interwar UK battlecruiser doctrine

Yeah it was a fine ship, but there is a mystique around those ships that aint really justified

They DID pull experimental designs that proved to work, like the diagonal braces in the hull

e.g a really well managed RN frigate like the Shannon managed to beat the USS Chesapeake

Otherwise, they didn't, and weren't designed to, compete with ships of the line

hence their speed

and razees were shown to handle them well

They only did so well because the cream of the RN were in Europe dealing with Napoleon

presumably being manned by the sailors the UK had to impress into service due to lack of domestic manpower

which is the biggest reason the US even got involved to begin with

I mean they probably wanted a land grab in Canada whilst Britain was distracted

and used impressment as an excuse

That was a minor factor among those who wanted to expand, which was still a comparatively fringe idea by that point given that the Louisiana Purchase was only made a decade prior

One attempt was already made at ~~Canada~~ British North America in the Revolutionary War, in which the southern Quebecois were sympathetic, but the northern Quebecois were less interested, to say the least

You can tell how significant impressment was as a factor by the fact that a Quasi-War was also started with France, which by this point had no further territory within American reach

That was the one led by Monrgomery if i remember right

TL;DR, don't fuck with American ships

Fucking with American ships in various capacities was what led the US to get involved in the War of 1812, the Spanish-American War, World War I, and World War II

Yeah dont fuck with American ships or you may have to come and burn the capital city down

And then retreat in the face of an overwhelming American force of literally nobody

because **ANNUIT COEPTIS**

I mean Admiral Cockburn was an absolute lad

And the tornado-spawning hurricane that tossed British artillery and damaged ships while putting out their fires was an even bigger lad

Went to the office of a newspaper that chatted shit about him to take all their letters so they couldnt print his name

Then spend the night working his way through the neighbourhood's women

As god himself destroys the rest of Washington DC

Nah, that storm saved the city

extinguished the fires, expelled the invaders, and allowed for its reconstruction from the burned stone up

'expelled the invaders'

It forced a retreat

They left because they had already drank through the presidents wine supply

It had tossed artillery, damaged British ships, killed some British soldiers, and forced a retreat

It is god's way of nerfing the British

too OP otherwise

It's **ANNUIT COEPTIS**

Nodding in appreciation of the British efforts

yes

The US actually de facto gained some territory out of the War of 1812

by occupying what are now the Mississippi and Alabama panhandles, which were purchased in the Louisiana Purchase but which Spain claimed weren't, and they remained occupied until Spain ended the territorial dispute by selling us the entirety of Florida a few years later

I mean occupying Spanish territory was all the rage in that period

And it would continue to be so until the US beat them down in 1898

KNOW YOUR PLACE, TRASH

Spain is genuinely the worse colonising European nations

The Dutch looks amazing in comparison

Yup, it shocked me reading accounts comparing the US to Spain in the Philippines and Puerto Rico, just how hard Spain either neglected or actively fucked over their possessions

tbf Napoleon fucked them over badly

and it was a downward spiral from there

```In 1929 Worcester wrote of Americans giving Manila a modern sewer system, supplying city dwellers with "comparatively pure drinking water" and wiping out diseases such as small pox, cholera and bubonic plague. Worcester wrote of skilled medical and surgical services being sent to the Philippines. He wrote about teaching boys and girls "the elements of good sanitation," about overcoming Filipino prejudice against hospitals, about new care for lepers and a more humane care for the insane "who were previously chained to floors or posts." Girls, he wrote, are being taught to cook and to sew, and boys are learning woodworking, ironworking and other useful trades. And he wrote of the US policy of denying liquor to tribal peoples.```

```Worcester boasted of the US-inspired economic advances in the Philippines, of road building, an improved mail service, more and better wharves and harbors for inter-island and international shipping. He spoke of the need for improvements in the rice industry in the Philippines, for better irrigation and better seed selection. He spoke of lifting the Filipinos out of "primitive production methods" in its sugar industry, without which, he said, the Filipinos will not be able to compete successfully in the world's sugar market. And he criticized US sugar interests for conspiring to prevent advances in the Filipino sugar industry.

Worcester boasted of the US giving the Philippines "religious liberty, free speech and a free press." He wrote of a determined US effort to break up slavery and peonage, something he claimed the "easy-going Spaniards" had never done. He wrote also of the all-Filipino legislature, which he described as premature but a blessing nevertheless. Worcester favored going slowly toward independence but he saw its eventuality. "Both of our great political parties," he wrote, "are committed to the policy of granting independence when the Filipinos are ready for it."```

did they vote yet?

on?

Yeah even if you hate the British empire at the very least they were massively anti-slavery

When they weren't building Confederate ships and harboring their ships and terrorists, at least

Annoying the Yanks is top priority, even if it means siding with slavers

looks like theyre about to announce the results of the vote

this will be fun

ORDER

329 yes

299

nos

the timetable?

Oh right, so they approved the deal, but not the timetable

I am taking that is a bad thing if they don't approve the timetable?

That's what I was wondering

Apparently if this vote passes, the UK will be out on the 31st

LOCK THE DOOOOOORS

308-322

The noes have it

ORDEeer

So what does that mean?