This channel is for plans or ideas you might have regarding our settlement, including possible locations and any general thoughts.

the current approximate timeline is a year from now we will see how many people are ready to make a move and decide on a location.

http://www.landwatch.com/Grant-County-Oregon-Land-for-sale/pid/25074361

Trees, running water, and roads

that one is really nice

no other civilization near by though, which will likely make things difficult

hmm, I'll keep searching; going offline for now

Idea: print redpills on wifi printers, leave redpills in public printers etc

why?

I would do this on college printers.

i cant imagine it changing anybodys mind

probably not. Most likely it would get very few people looking into it. If not anything else, it will just piss some people off

If you did do it they would have to be short and sweet, no memes like hitler did nothing wrong, a race and crime excerpt would work

Best would probably be things that just reel the person in, into researching it for themselves. Having them ask themselves questions and such.

Guys

We should have a serious conversation about plans sometime

you can have such a discussion any time

do you have something specific in mind croc?

I would say that even though many of our people have lost the focus or belief in our moral inheritance, it is paramount that we look back unto "the true faith" that our parents left us.. it is why the JEWS are trying to wipe us out, they hate us because (non Jewish) whites are culturally the principal purveyors of Christianity which exposes them@ frauds of their own religion.

It will require submissiveness and reform as a people.

we've had too much submissiveness

But with out faith, their is no foundation for law.. and there will be lawlessness

Submissiveness to original Christianity is masculine and dominant.

good points, although I think this belongs in <#359510066623283202>

See the crusades

Oh.. gotcha..

I mean we should talk in VC

orchid is almost always in VC desu, pop in any time

As a group

Not all of us

There is too many

But the most serious of us

you mean sometime in the future?

because right now were still gathering members

We already probably have too many members to have a coherent conversation

Unless you just want to relay group discussions to others

we really dont, I think only a fraction of this discords members are active and are willing to move someday soon

even fewer have the means to do it in the immediate future

I can’t do it in the immediate future

But I’m still serious about it

most of these people don't care and only want to LARP or lurk, at most i would expect 20 people in a preannounced convo desu

>implying you don’t want to LARP

>implying LARPing is a bad thing

> implying i do

well thats why the planning will have to take place ove several months

<implying

Live Action Role Playing is a good thing, how?

You LARP as what you want to be

And eventually you become it

no, you become what you want to be, you learn it, faking it till you make it is plebean tier and never works

I’ve literally transmorphed into a crocodile

*shitposter

You still need LARP

by the way, anybody who is really serious about doing this should be posting in member-bio, I will eventuakly promote you to citizen and that will give you acess to a separate planning channel where we can talk about this in more depth

just not too much

My bio is there

yep

then I think I'll eventually have to single out the people who are actually ready to go

I’m fairly young

And not making any good money

So it will be some years before I can make a serious attempt

But my honest prediction is that this will fail

> LARPing is a good place to start

kinda same boat with croc a little bit, excluding a prediction

>literally LARPing as a Christian saint

I’ll explain it to you later

if you think this will fail why are you here?

But for now I’m saying that this has repeatedly not got anywhere

regardless of if it fails or not, getting contacts out of it seems worthwhile nonetheless

Guys like Harold Covington have tried

But there is a profound apathy that pervades white peopke

Even the men in our circles

So my hopes are basically zero. But I will still try.

Yeah whatever happened to that guy?

He’s still making a podcast

Just nothing ever happened

These things build upon themselves

Well

I think white people are apathetic because they've been beaten down for so long, they've forgotten that it's OK to stand up and be proud of who we are

once we normalize white identity, it'll only be natural for them to want to be around their kind, openly and explicitly, whereas right now it's just an implicit, "white flight" sort of thing

I think the problem with Covington is he was too explicitly natsoc

Tfw no natsoc ethno state

not that it was wrong, it was just too much info too quickly for the normie

If, if we normalize white identity

if we exude self confidence in white identity, and have an overall positive message, that'll go a long way

we don't need to get into the technicals of whether or not charging usury is valid

we just need to push the meme that "we're building a homeland for white people... a place where you can raise families and feel safe"

If you guys want we can talk later today

the important think is that you all focus on self improvmement; learning skills, making money, and all that. If you can do that then moving to a community wont be hard. I suspect that the reason other groups fail is because the individual members dont have their lives in order and assume that the group will provide them with everything they need. If you can be adult enough to move to some town and build/buy a home there, then thats all you ultimately need to suceed. It's important to view this discord as primarily a tool for learning and connecting with people, everything else is in your own hands.

this is why most leftist communes fail

Suggestion: Is there anything we can do to get people more involved in the server? I mean it in the sense of, lets say we have 500 people on the server, but only like 40 or 50 are really involved in it. Of course people who want to be involved are going to be active, but I'm worried about if say someone joins and loses interest in the community after some time? The only thing I can think of off the top of my head is something like game nights or maybe branches of users directly engaging other users in chats and stuff (self improvement squads?).

idk, sorta just a spitball thought

although we do already have some cool stuff like movie nights and book club

for community stuff, i try to host a filmclub weekly, Polak just started a book club (see announcements)

beyond that everyones encouraged to discuss random stuff and shit-post in appropriate channels to stay engaged

Beyond that it might be enough for some people to just check in occasionally, the important thing is that people here maintain contact, even if they dont post on a regular basis

^^

It depends on how far we want to go... maybe a newsletter, lol

Also, I'm sure it's been asked before, but what is the fallback incase this server get ((shutdown))

maybe we could put making a website on the bucket list

or some custom chat client

yeah, well have to look into that

awesome

you have any particular ideas about other chat clients

no, I only mention it because the other day I saw some anon discussing making their own client that's fullproof, over in general I think

He'd probably have some of the best ideas on that topic, in the server

We need to be integrating more closely to True Cascadia

do they have an official discord?

i dont even know what they do

arent they just activists or something?

http://www.truecascadia.com/

```Promote a White ethnic consciousness in the Pacific Northwest and prevent, as well as reverse, the increasingly discriminatory policies enacted in opposition to Whites in our own homelands.

Encourage traditionalism by investing in traditional family values, and stopping the degradation of White culture.

Regain our sovereignty and prevent foreign influence on our people.

Stop the continuation of non-White immigration into our communities and rebuild our sociocultural infrastructure.```

I think it's just a growing network of alt-right people in the area

Ill get in touch

just, you know, be careful

yea I'm just asking them what they do, i have no interest in getting involved with somebody without good reason

yeah

there's probably an idiom somewhere about the danger of aging revolutionaries

if not, i'll pen one

theres some scary old white guys doing a vulture squat over the USA convinced itll die in their lifetime and they'll get to feast

and they're getting older every day, and i just dont see a balkanization happening anytime soon tbh

@Orchid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfJGQ0n27vc

thats a long vidyo

yeah there's a lot of stuff they go over

thanks

have you watched the whole thing?

yes, a while ago when it first came out

that's how I found out about this movement of people wanting to do this

are they covington styled 'outside the government' people, or 'within the government' people?

They're not too concerned with the government, it sounds like

i hate to ask you to do my homework for me here, but i dont hate it enough to not ask

they're very much "meta-political"

it seems as tho they're more interested in building community, rather than the particulars of policy or economics

one of my big gripes with covington, other than the whole hes a nut bit is that hes basically written off the current government and has decided to just wait on the next one, that he'll theoretically lead/be a part of

that sounds larpy

yeah well

whatever the case may be, the most important thing is we develop the cultural network

rather than iron out a constitution

yeah

^

build the skills, become self-reliant, move up to the PNW, and advocate for white identity

if there ever comes a time where we're going to have to sort out a new government, we'll deal work it out then

for now, none of that crap will matter if there are no people to govern

those kinds of specifics are up to the people who physically live in the community

Ive made some significant changes to the about channel, it's now <#359432753474699274> and a lot of the text has been rewritten. Share your thoughts.

@Orchid I think it looks good 👍

When will we be deciding where to make the move? What are the criteria we're looking out for? I've done a ton of readind and research into all parts of the PNW, and the rest of the country. It all started years ago when I read Skousen's Strategic Relocation book.

Yeah, that's more in line. Good job.

I have a pretty good idea of the general parts of the country, their demographic trajectory, and their strategic advantages and disadvantages

Right now we want to wait about a year, and then see how many people are ready to go, and then depending on that we might adjust the timeline. If you know alot about the region's geography, thats really useful

it might be worth looking up some sort of documentation about what's best for non-us-nationals to do

We can discuss various locations at anytime, and have already discussed some. Some of the criteria we are looking for: good arable land and climate, presence of a small town (about 2000 people or less), relative proximity of a larger city is preferrable. Access to fresh water, good natural obstacles like lakes or mountains, and proximity to renewable energy like hydroelectric dams is preferrable

generally speaking, guest or visitation type visas are very easy to get, if this gets off the ground, it could be worth setting up a 'fake' university for people to get student visas for

that could be very illlegal though, we could for a company and sponsor workers

whenever i went to russia, there's always 'fake hotels' that send you their invitations for visas

dont need that anymore now, since i can travel without visa along with my wife now

but going for work-visas is tricky

because for that to work, you'd have to have a position advertised on the 'domestic market' for 6 months, and are only eligable to bring in people if you cant find the specialisation in the country

also the company has to pay a shitload for it essentially

so it'd have to be something that becomes economically viable, break-even at minimum.

hopefully someone here has some experience with this stuff, it needs to be discussed more

well, as with most things, it becomes easier as soon as there legitimately IS some sort of established community

@Marlow Since you seem to know this stuff, whats your opinion of western WA and OR, compared to states like Idaho and Wyoming?

How much harsher is the climate, and what advantages do you think one has over the other?

Do you mean Eastern?

because Western is a no-go

why?

seismic and population issues

yes there are bigger population centers, so it's easier to find work

but the politics of those areas is terrible

there are some places that are better suited outside of those cities, if you really need access to the economy there, but I advise Idaho or Montana

much friendlier politically and culturally

climate is also sunnier and swings to seasonal extremes more as you travel east, Finally when you hit the rockies, expect a slightly wetter climate, a little more snow, and up in the rockies by the continental divide (Columbia Falls, etc.) much more snow, shorter growing season, colder overall temperatures, etc.

the happy medium, to me, seams to be the Idaho panhandle, Benewah, Kootenai, and Bonner county

I would recommend the eastern areas of Washington and Orgeon, were it not for the governments there, but at the same time if you're looking for safety and good demographics, those places are excellent.

Coeur D'Alene has a population of about 50,000 and is close to Spokane, so it's not too isolated from the conveniences of civilization, Moscow further south is about half that and is a different ecology (high plains). We need to define our goals... do we want to "take over" a town? Or do we want to participate as a vocal minority in the politics?

Do we want to buy one big patch of land together and start a "commune" lol.... there was this "Citadel" project that kinda fell flat

vocal minority

I think it would be better if we just made a general push to move to a specific town and the surrounding areas, and focused on making that town /our place/

taking anything over is unfeasable, and bth im not really intereseted in living around only other /pol/lacks

yeah I know what you mean

its a recipe for a failed state

in that case I submit Coeur D'Alene or Sandpoint as my suggestion

Sandpoint has 8000 residents, and an older population than Coeur D'Alene

I have 4 kids, one of the big things for me is to find a place where there are other young families

ive looked around Coeur D'Alene before, it looks like its mostly mountains, is there enough arable land there?

Yes, there's enough to work with for personal gardening

as far as large scale farming I'm not so sure

check this map out: http://sil.uc.edu/webapps/socscape_usa/

also that area looks like it is full of sparse suburbs or cottages

it's got population and demographic stats mapped for the years 1990, 2000, and 2010, to give you an idea of where the white population is growing

wow that map is awesome!

yeah it's really useful

Ive also considered Potlatch ID

land is really cheap

Potlatch is really, really low in population

and it might be too small for our people to find good work

that would be a good target if we wanted to take over completely

pop is 804, i dont expect anything near that many people to be with us

but if enough of our guys move out there and we get active politically, then yeah it could happen

but, again, the economic factor is limiting

so it's just something to think about

I think it would work best if we chose a decently sized city, and moved there or the surrounding lands

because for most people, it's a big deal to have access to good shopping and such

well being in a decent sized city pretty much defeats the purpose

its true

I think there are places that strike a good balance

and my hope is that most people will be somewhat self-sufficient

Maybe we can pick a specific small town next to one of these cities

like maybe a half hour or so away

so people could still commute if they want to

http://www.bestplaces.net/city/idaho/athol

something like that

well potlatch is about 15 mils from Moscow ID

```Race in Athol, Idaho
98.00% of people are white, 0.00% are black, 0.00% are asian, 0.00% are native american, and 0.00% claim 'Other'.```

bingo... found it!

this is our home.

lol

it looks like its entirely sparse suburbs

and it doesnt looks like theres any farming going on there, probably for a good reason

another one we have considered is Mossy Rock WA

or any town in that valley

interesting choice

We gotta think about the economic opportunities if this thing is going to have any legs

we can grow food pretty much anywhere if we're in a good grow zone

this is good tho, it's good we disagree somewhat on this, and that we have different things we're looking for

the reason I like it is because its not very populated, has great natural obstacles, lots of freshwater and timber as well as a few dams

it's going result in making a better decision in the end

those are important considerations

It does look like a place you could go full Varg

which is where I eventially want to end up

downside is its a bit expensive

but its probably expensive for a reason, like the good climate and rainfall

full Varg?

oh right

that dude

Yeah you know Varg Vikernes

he's always preaching to people to live a more traditional lifestyle away from collapsing civilization, have lots of kids, become self-reliant, etc.

some people here have talked about wanting to go full log cabin wilderness survivalits. It's not my cup of tea but I do want to accomodate them

Yeah that's why I feel like moving next to a small city (pop 25k -50k or so) would be best

I want to be self reliant, but i like some of the benefits of civilization

because you would attract people who want to be part of the community, but want to be more isolated, they can just move further away

25-50k is big though

it can be lower

like 10k

Sandpoint is a good place for that

you cant really have influence of a town that big