it isnt

its inhereantly great

but why

I need reasons, Kenny.

i dont see how this is serious

Just justify freedom being inherently good

If it is inherently good then it can be justified in some way

define 'inherently'

in a permanent, essential, or characteristic way.

If a person could be inherently grumpy freedom could be inherently good

bc as in america we can do things that other places dont

Why is that good though

inherently?

bc were never going to be like other places unless they have as much freedom

@Obungus freedom is the inherent state of humanity

One values freedom if they value themselves

Is it?

One could argue that hierarchy and subjugation are too

The state isnt natural,it's founder and main ideologue isn't found in your cerebellum

It's found in laws and codes

Formulated,propogated and copied by others

It's completely unnatural

Tell me, @Obungus , are you a man of god?

So is what is natural what is good?

That statement makes no sense

Grammatically

Does something being natural make it good?

you googled the definition of inherently

lol

yeah

I don't use fake and gay definitions

I mean that's fine I would just prefer if you defined it in your own words

If something is found in nature it must've had predecessors,it must've overcame challenges and trials and what is left is th refined version of what was

That's stupid

not what you said bim

Suvival of the fittest

Ok

But how does that make it morally good?

Survival of the best

Morals are subjective as they are nothing more than codes of conduct

So you have no objective justification?

Codes of conduct formulated on the basis of personal taste,relgion,ideology etc.

For what?

For freedom being good

other than it is natural or is a result of natural trial and error

It's good because it is the only political value which doesn't violate rights

Negative rights*

So what makes the violation of rights wrong?

The fact that the infringement of rights is illegitimate,unethical,immoral and is based in illogical behaviour

Says who

Natural rights are based in logic,to violate them is to be illogical

Why is "logic" what dictates morality?

There is no objective "good" or "bad" in the universe

Then heck off

I want someone's objective justification

<:Dude:459545653031469068>

is that a furry i see

I think so

atheist furry

girls like you have no foundation

I can't imagine a normal human having that picture

You won't get one tho,you want something that can't be obtained

@Obungus it's a joke,long story

i like stories

do tell

I don't care if that objective justification is valid

Just if one exists

in <#452955265961164800> if its too long

or wall of texty

I don't wanna type it all out

ok

join round table

tfw he more tim to talk about retarded morality shit than something actually interstging

TYPICAL

Lol wut?

Sure

@Mrz65

Get in roundtable

**server mutes him**

without a higher ontology

there is no morality

pebble stop

meaning you promote the ability of anything

i dont know what ontology means

please be kind to my small non aryan brain

wow i will fucking shit in your ear stupid bitch

read

a

book

'non aryan'

i dont exersize and i dont read books

Gay

i like to walk every day and i ride my bike up to the city

oh yeah you're like asian ro something

but i dont think that exercizing

YOU DON'T LIFT BRO?

why are you swallowing your mic

Ching chong mudafuka

thanks!

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