Message from @bimmler

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2018-07-30 00:38:28 UTC  

Just justify freedom being inherently good

2018-07-30 00:38:42 UTC  

If it is inherently good then it can be justified in some way

2018-07-30 00:39:28 UTC  

define 'inherently'

2018-07-30 00:40:22 UTC  

in a permanent, essential, or characteristic way.

2018-07-30 00:41:00 UTC  

If a person could be inherently grumpy freedom could be inherently good

2018-07-30 00:42:47 UTC  

bc as in america we can do things that other places dont

2018-07-30 00:43:08 UTC  

Why is that good though

2018-07-30 00:43:11 UTC  

inherently?

2018-07-30 00:44:09 UTC  

bc were never going to be like other places unless they have as much freedom

2018-07-30 00:44:12 UTC  

@Obungus freedom is the inherent state of humanity

2018-07-30 00:44:26 UTC  

One values freedom if they value themselves

2018-07-30 00:44:29 UTC  

Is it?

2018-07-30 00:44:45 UTC  

One could argue that hierarchy and subjugation are too

2018-07-30 00:45:10 UTC  

The state isnt natural,it's founder and main ideologue isn't found in your cerebellum

2018-07-30 00:45:19 UTC  

It's found in laws and codes

2018-07-30 00:45:42 UTC  

Formulated,propogated and copied by others

2018-07-30 00:45:52 UTC  

It's completely unnatural

2018-07-30 00:46:12 UTC  

Tell me, @Obungus , are you a man of god?

2018-07-30 00:46:13 UTC  

So is what is natural what is good?

2018-07-30 00:46:27 UTC  

That statement makes no sense

2018-07-30 00:46:36 UTC  

Grammatically

2018-07-30 00:46:46 UTC  

Does something being natural make it good?

2018-07-30 00:48:09 UTC  

you googled the definition of inherently

2018-07-30 00:48:11 UTC  

lol

2018-07-30 00:48:15 UTC  

yeah

2018-07-30 00:48:32 UTC  

I don't use fake and gay definitions

2018-07-30 00:48:39 UTC  

I mean that's fine I would just prefer if you defined it in your own words

2018-07-30 00:48:42 UTC  

If something is found in nature it must've had predecessors,it must've overcame challenges and trials and what is left is th refined version of what was

2018-07-30 00:48:49 UTC  

That's stupid

2018-07-30 00:48:53 UTC  

not what you said bim

2018-07-30 00:48:55 UTC  

Suvival of the fittest

2018-07-30 00:49:03 UTC  

Ok

2018-07-30 00:49:09 UTC  

But how does that make it morally good?

2018-07-30 00:49:12 UTC  

Survival of the best

2018-07-30 00:49:40 UTC  

Morals are subjective as they are nothing more than codes of conduct

2018-07-30 00:49:55 UTC  

So you have no objective justification?

2018-07-30 00:50:46 UTC  

Codes of conduct formulated on the basis of personal taste,relgion,ideology etc.

2018-07-30 00:50:52 UTC  

For what?

2018-07-30 00:50:58 UTC  

For freedom being good

2018-07-30 00:51:10 UTC  

other than it is natural or is a result of natural trial and error

2018-07-30 00:51:51 UTC  

It's good because it is the only political value which doesn't violate rights