One values freedom if they value themselves

Is it?

One could argue that hierarchy and subjugation are too

The state isnt natural,it's founder and main ideologue isn't found in your cerebellum

It's found in laws and codes

Formulated,propogated and copied by others

It's completely unnatural

Tell me, @Obungus , are you a man of god?

So is what is natural what is good?

That statement makes no sense

Grammatically

Does something being natural make it good?

you googled the definition of inherently

lol

yeah

I don't use fake and gay definitions

I mean that's fine I would just prefer if you defined it in your own words

If something is found in nature it must've had predecessors,it must've overcame challenges and trials and what is left is th refined version of what was

That's stupid

not what you said bim

Suvival of the fittest

Ok

But how does that make it morally good?

Survival of the best

Morals are subjective as they are nothing more than codes of conduct

So you have no objective justification?

Codes of conduct formulated on the basis of personal taste,relgion,ideology etc.

For what?

For freedom being good

other than it is natural or is a result of natural trial and error

It's good because it is the only political value which doesn't violate rights

Negative rights*

So what makes the violation of rights wrong?

The fact that the infringement of rights is illegitimate,unethical,immoral and is based in illogical behaviour

Says who

Natural rights are based in logic,to violate them is to be illogical

Why is "logic" what dictates morality?

There is no objective "good" or "bad" in the universe

Then heck off

I want someone's objective justification

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