It's a complicated debate around china honestly and it needs to be nuanced

Deng was shit

is to deny the facts of all pre war germany

China is just Social Democracy with a fetish for red at this point

so was Zemin

same for Venezuela, it's social democracy, not socialism or communism

Nazi Germany only produced benefits for those that were Aryan and members of the party

Communism died, fascism died, anarchism was never a thing to begin with. Y'all got to accept that capitalist liberalism has 'won' and needs to be combatted with fourth positionism.

for bourgeois Aryans*

True

@femboyrevolutionary which was the majority of the population, the vast majority

by your terms

nope, capitalism and neoliberalism is slowly falling apart

just look at the EU lol

it had subverted the False hierarchy where jews had taken over the top

and plundered germany

@Lotus Calme that doesn't automatically make it a good thing

the EU will collapse soon

it was justified in every way

If the EU collapses, it'll fall to right-wing populists.

Not to communists or anarchists

I am glad the Neoliberal world order is collapsing

yeah Communism being dead is false, it can't die, which is good for some and a pain for others

The EU is a clusterfuck

Populist which are not that popular, they will face hard opposition

most people don't vote anymore

because no one still believes in the neoliberal model

free real estate*

Hard opposition? The only opposition Marie le Pen faced was from centrists and moderates, not communists.

LOL

As in, only opposition that counted and made her lose

you have no idea what you are talking about bud

I live in france

Europe will fall to staunch nationalism, not Leftism. That's only because of the current political climate right now

everyone left of center voted center to oppose le penn

every single communists is against Le Pen idiot

France will likely be more Lefty tho

and no communist wanted to vote for ken doll macron

The workers are militant there

the factory workers voted for le penn @femboyrevolutionary

@Lotus Calme not all

nope, the factory workers in the vast majority, DIDNT VOTE

i know my country better than you dude

and anyone can read the voter turn out and demographics my dude

plus Le Pen has completely lost any form of credibility since the debate

non voters aren't people

because she made all sorts of concessions about Europe

@Deleted User you do have a great point

European Nationalists are cancer

because she's just a neo liberal with right wing populist mumbo jumbo

They're only a reaction to Islam

>implying I care about Le Penn and not The National Front

More Blue Collar voters voted for Le Pen

you mean the rassemblement national

they changed the name

also Marine lost, it will probably be to push forwars MArion Marechal, which is known to be incompetent and immature

Melenchon or Les Republicains is the most likely to become more popular in the next few years

Since France Insoumise is the only vocal opposition that exists

FN deputees are invisible

Yeah, looking at voter demographics for the 2017 French election is interesting

they're not unlikely to drift right as the base is shifted

and LR is just like "hey MAcron is doing OUR thing"

France Insoumise and the PCF but the PCF is long dead

France Insoumise is my bet but they are Socdem opportunists

with a dash of nationalism

they will do a france style syriza to us

so, how is Jupiter anyway?

so i'm not impressed, but they gained real popularity among workers and younger demographics

Jupiter should get the guillotine

he's a narcissistic idiot and his arrogance wil me his doom

Are there any Sorelianists?

Sorel was pretty awesome.

like Alain Soral?

Ah Sorel

George

no

That's too bad

Heard he hated Jews

Sorel was Nazbol before Nazbol

Lenin said he was just a general mess

That's why I like him, Naz Bol is the best.

Nazbol is bonkers

at least Limonov is hilarious, he's the russian Varg

I've heard his name but not much more than that

Nazbol is fun for the family

his biography by carrère is really a good read

to see how INSANE that dude is

National Bolshevism is a legitimate ideology, but Limonov is a cock

This one? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eduard_Limonov

yeah

National Bolchevism is bullshit opportunism

and reactionary

I am interested in most third position stuff.

Especially stuff that opposes liberalism.

Fourth Positionism boi

maybe you should reconsider marxism instead of following idealistic reactionary theory

if you really hate liberalism

>Marxism
>Not idealistic
Lol, good one.

haha

MArxism is litteraly the opposit of liberalism and idealism

materialism

like the concrete opposite of it

while fascism is based around idealism

just read mussolini's point on marxism

Saying something is scientific isn't, ehh, very reliable.

it's litteraly his pov

"marxism is wrong because materialism forgets ideal like heroism or traditions"

are we mussonlini fascists?

it's the base of fascism,

Do you think marxism is internationalist by nature?

it is

like the point of marxism

is internationalism

workers of the world unite etc

ew

then you are an idealist sorry

😉

Oof

Your the idealist, your fighting against nature itself.

Globalism is sadly not idealistic. It's horrible and needs to be fought, but the liberals are doing a good job at it.

if you don't understand marxism don't bother debating it

Globalism =/= Internationalism

it's like not the same at all

Internationalism means the emancipation of the working people worldwide

Globalism is just a conspiracy theory term mistaken from Imperialism

Imperialism is the absolute political and economical hegemony of financial monopolies

Globalism is like "its da jewws and freemasonry"

It's not imperialism if it's an international Bourgeoisie owning most of the wealth

which is personalizing the point of imperialism when it's a class issue rather than secret organisation pulling the strings

Western Bourgeoisie mostly

That's a frankly narrow and particular way of looking at Globalism.

(((western)))

but non western countries can be imperialist

like Russia or Saudi Arabia

It's not countries doing it

It's financial monopolies

Which are international

that control western bourgeois states

name the elephant in the room

oy vey

Definition of globalism according to Google: the operation or planning of economic and foreign policy on a global basis.

which is a strategy of imperialism

Globalization

you must be assigned a party

and the main contradiction bourgeoisie faces is globalization vs sovergnity

There's no one imperial power at the center of it

yes there is

It's private individuals not a naiton

capitalists

maybe the commies just got the definitions mixed up like the rest of their worldview

Capitalist control both states and monopolies

Globalism is what Jews engage in because they haven't adapted to having a nation state for their people.

but doesn't mean there are internal contradiction between national bourgeoisies

No, no, no. Blaming the Jews is a mistake. It hides the real enemy

like WW1 was born out of contradictions between french and german bourgeoisies

The Jews ARE the Bourgeoisie.

no

Nope

No, but

Bourgeois can be Wasps, muslims, anything really

>make up 2% of American population
>40% of the 1%

same for working people

It's not even debatable at this point

Jews are the centre of the alliance of Zionists, cultural marxists and liberals that hold all the wealth

they defend class interests not jewish interests you moron

marxists are agains Israel dummy

any marxist that is zionist is a fool and a revisionist

Jews larp as marxists saying they are people of colour

it's hilarious

Jews aint PoC, but they are an ethnicity

I'm not calling Jews Marxists

So idk what you're talking about

Cultural Marxists have nothing to do with actual marxists though

and cultural marxism is totally filled with jews

^

Marxist Intellectuals from the 70's onwards are mostly bourgeois and trots

and post modern dipshits

not to be trusted

read Clouscard, he made the point perfectly

National Socialists don't fix the actual problem they just blame it on someone else like jews

these people forget the material conditions and are acting in the interest of the bourgeoisie and the new capitalist culture

"Cultural marxism" is basically just a way of criticizing society by applying Marxist theories

they are pretty much can be related to modern feminazis instead of fixing the problem they blame it on white people or men

Clouscard is the only marxist philosoher from the 70's that got it right

National Socialists also shat down freemasonry and banned the Jesuits

National Socialists sucked industrial monopolies with pleasure

Hitler was a economical liberal

@Deleted User Postmodernism is pure destructionism

They state either shut down or collaborated all major industry

hated unions and thought workers were "willing to work for the bourgeoisie"

I support the second revolution though

Postmodernism is the worst thing that ever happened to the left

They should have stuck to the original points of the NSDAP and implemented proper socialism

@Deleted User It's whatever. Monopolies aren't bad if they serve the people

they don't serve the people idiot

they serve profit and only profit

and hitler was down to that

Hitler was just a capitalist proxy that got too far

The state controlled those industries not the other way around

Capitalists saw hi as a good way to prevent another spartakist revolution

the industries and capitalist state work hand in hand

their is no domination between one and another, the bourgeois control the state AND the monopolies

Hitler was down to people thriving. He created trade unions where both employee and employer were represented. Unlike you, he wasn't advocating for a class war, but rather unity and cohesion between all classes

that's why the bourgeois state needs to be destroyed and not implemented like socdems believe it

their is always class war idiot

True they should have properly dealt with the Bourgeois like the SA wanted to, it was the aristocracy that ended up betraying hitler.

it's why classes exist

one class dominates the other

there is no class collaboration

only struggle

No one dominated the worker under Hitler

LOL

idiot

You can't deny that

absolute idiot

Prove me wrong

Jewish conspiracies seem to be 90% of the conversations in here

that's why he imprisoned political opposition advocating for workers

Yes, socialists

And communists

Who wanted to wage class war

CLASS WAR IS INHERENT TO THE EXISTENCE OF CLASSES MORON

That wasn't in the nation's interest

Under the National Socialists the classes were not in conflict, they united as Germans.

@leprechaun it’s surprisingly not as bad as in other servers if you’d be surprised

Class isn't social groups, it's a struggle between the people and their masters

you don't know shit

the capitalist system is inherently a domination tool

no class collaboration can ever come from it

Fascism doesn't see classes as such. You think your worldview is more valid than any other ones because you've never read anything beyond Marxist theory

Fascism is bullshit y know

I've read lots of theory

Authority is completely natural, it's just that the aristocracy was either corrupted or replaced with bourgeois.

classical liberalism

anarchism

You don't even know fascist philosophy

and fascism

i know it

Classes are invalid

what did you read?

Races are the real division

i've read mussolini, soral, hitler and maurras

also bernanos

which books?

and royalists

comprendre l'empire

mein kampf (which is the stupidest thing ever written)

the doctrine of fascism

They say Mussolini was heavily influenced by Sorel

l'action francaise